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Icarus_Falling
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02 Sep 2007, 11:31 pm

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I've made plastic and wooden knives to take on planes, but never did so because what was the point? I could just use the sharp edge of a magazine or roll up the stiff, laminated safety-procedure-explanation card...

There are (or were before 9-11?) on-line stores that sold "CIA Letter Openers", which is a plastic knife that can be sharpened and will hold an edge, and can be hidden inside a neck tie. Does not get detected by metal detectors.

You can also get a belt buckle with a blade that slips inside the leather belt and when scanned by metal detectors, operators think its just a belt buckle. A relative that lived in Jo-burg had one (just for fun) and flew several times into the UK wearing it (pre9-11) and was never stopped.

Knowing this, it seems silly that airlines will take toe nail clippers off you as a security risk.

A handful of sharpened wooden pencils still works these days. Try to use stealth, and aim for the neck.

CIA letter openers are designed for stabbing, not cutting (though some of them can be sharpened to a degree).

There are also ceramic knives available, but these days more of them have metal inlays, the only purpose of which is to not allow them to pass thru metal detectors. They are also very expensive, but they hold an excellent edge.)

Personally, I just don't fly anyore; I will not buy into the illusion of security supposedly provided by doing things like taking away nail clippers from grandmothers.

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03 Sep 2007, 12:00 am

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A handful of sharpened wooden pencils still works these days. Try to use stealth, and aim for the neck.

Gordon Liddy in "Will" says to push thru the soft palette under the chin and up into the brain.


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03 Sep 2007, 2:07 pm

I only carry a safety pin if I need to stab myself in the arm (which is my way of managing the 'feeling of madness').
Otherwise I will be re-starting kickboxing at school next week.
And I also weightlift.
And I am known by certain people to be somewhat alarmingly dangerous when I am mad/angry.


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03 Sep 2007, 4:57 pm

Gods there's a lot of self-righteous, smug naiveté wafting around this thread... The stench of it is becoming nauseating; the stench of sheep.

Sheep who think there are no wolves because they've never seen one, or there don't happen to be any around at the moment; sheep who take lessons in how to be a wolf and think themselves one, because they've never been confronted by a real wolf; sheep who think that human laws will protect them, though by definition wolves are not bound by such laws; sheep who think themselves smarter, move evolved and civil and advanced... simply because they are sheep.

Humans never cease to amuse and disappoint me. Time to spray a bit of anti-smug into this thread...

frankwah wrote:
In my area, you don't really need weapons... I guess unless you're a woman. Then mace might be a good idea.

This statement is inherently self-contradictory.

dustbowlrefugee wrote:
It used to annoy me so much, he couldnt see that he was pepetuating the only reason to carry one: that other fools might also be carrying one.

Irony; in naming the only reason one might carry a knife as being a fool, you reveal your own foolish, judgmental, narrow-mindedness.

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I live in a quiet part of the UK, where people do not expect violent crime.

You are fortunate; I hope your good fortune continues, I really do. But striking where least expected is one of the first rules for more intelligent criminals. Not expecting problems is both a luxury, and a vulnerability. Despite a large scale, well orchestrated pacification effort by the British government, Britain will continue to have its share of crime and criminals. There are those who will never be pacified, will never just lie down.

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Your personal security is YOUR responsibility.

THANK YOU; perhaps there is some hope for humans yet. At least some of them. I would extend that notion to include the security of one's loved ones as well.

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My point is that outside of knives and guns, whether something is or isn't a weapon depends entirely on whether its owner says it is. So I'm curious as to just what Icarus's arsenal consists of.

You are perceptive. Generally speaking, my "arsenal" consists of whatever I need to get the job done. Danielismyname raised an excellent point: it all starts with one's mind and mindset. Knowledge is a useful weapon; knowledge of anatomy to know where best to strike; knowledge of physics to understand force and leverage; knowledge of human psychology in order to read or bluff your opponent; and so on. My body, too, I have trained to be a weapon insofar as I can; a good, hard kick to the stomach from a steel-toed engineering boot is a favored defensive attack, for example. I do not trust chemical sprays or shock weapons; they are not reliable always reliable, which I know because I've had them tested on myself to see. I carry a few other things, but I dislike giving away all of my surprises. An excellent weapon that many overlook is whatever environment you happen to be in. Anything I might pick up and throw; anything I might use as partial cover or attack leverage; anything that I might crack someone's head against, or throw someone through or off of; anything that I might climb up or jump down from in order to escape... And, of course, escape I will if the situation dictates. [Anyone who claims to know "martial arts" well enough to defend themselves outside of a classroom surely will know all of this.]

But, there are times when retreat is not an option. As I mentioned, I am a husband and a father; it is my duty to defend my family, and I take that duty very seriously. If I am not prepared and able to defend them, I fail in my duty as husband and father. There are times when I may choose a strategic exit as the way to cope with a dangerous situation for myself; I can be extremely elusive, have done so in the past. But if my wife or son are present, for example, in a home-invasion style assault, my only choices are to lay down, or do battle. And I will NOT lay down while my family is in jeopardy, not unless I am dead.

In all, I do not live in fear or paranoia, as many might sadly presume. Rather, I live in quiet hope and confidence. The confidence comes from knowing I've done my utmost best to prepare for any unfortunate contingency that might happen upon me or my loved ones, and knowing that I have not stuck my head in the sand and assumed life will always go nicely (I know humans and human nature too well to do this), knowing that I am not easy prey, nor will I allow my family to be. And the hope goes towards never having to need to defend my loved ones in a dangerous situation; may my entire life pass without ever once having to do so... But more than anything else, that hope rests on luck.

And I will not trust my family's lives to luck alone; I love and value them too much to do so.

Woo! I hope that cleared the air a bit. :wink: Feel free to disagree with me, to maintain a position that differs from mine; but don't mistake me for a fool or a simipleton.

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03 Sep 2007, 5:08 pm

Yeah, I carry a weapon... in my pants. :twisted:



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03 Sep 2007, 5:24 pm

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Yeah, I carry a weapon... in my pants. :twisted:


For some reason, that makes me think of this:
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03 Sep 2007, 6:41 pm

^^^^ great movie. :D


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04 Sep 2007, 1:17 pm

Icarus_Falling wrote:
Gods there's a lot of self-righteous, smug naiveté wafting around this thread... The stench of it is becoming nauseating; the stench of sheep.


Icarus_falling, some people don't carry weapons because THE PERSON CARRYING THE WEAPON is more likely to be arrested than the attacker, merely for CARRYING a weapon. OK?


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04 Sep 2007, 4:12 pm

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Gods there's a lot of self-righteous, smug naiveté wafting around this thread... The stench of it is becoming nauseating; the stench of sheep.


Icarus_falling, some people don't carry weapons because THE PERSON CARRYING THE WEAPON is more likely to be arrested than the attacker, merely for CARRYING a weapon. OK?

Really? It's illegal to be equipped to defend yourself in the UK? You're more afraid of your local authorities than violent criminals? Why, I had no idea! :wink:

But it could be worse. In communist China, you could be arrested for looking at the wrong thing on the internet.

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04 Sep 2007, 6:36 pm

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... Really? It's illegal to be equipped to defend yourself in the UK? You're more afraid of your local authorities than violent criminals? Why, I had no idea! :wink:

Here there are critics of the US/NYC "Zero Tolerance" policy. They say all it does is move crime. It seems to me (seeing some statistics) that it has moved crime from NYC to London, which I believe has a higher rate of violent crime than NYC.


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04 Sep 2007, 7:02 pm

I carry no weapons. I don't go out at night. I tend to keep to myself.
I am a very fearful person, though, especially when walking past groups of youths and teenagers here, but it is illegal to carry a weapon here, and I would either find myself unable to use it or would use it with rage which would get me into trouble.



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04 Sep 2007, 7:15 pm

I have a trenchcoat for the sole purpose of concealing my weapons; an m-60, two pistols, a sword, a hunting knife, a swiss army knife, box cutters, nail clippers, anything the airports deem a "weapon of mass destruction", and of course the worst weapon of all... when I want to go flashing.
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04 Sep 2007, 7:17 pm

Graelwyn: Carry a rolled-up newspaper; practise/figure out/learn how to defend yourself with your hands, feet and head. Poke attackers in the eyes, keep your nails long and rip their neck open, spit on them so that they'll instinctively recoil and might let go of you. :) Kick them in the balls.



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04 Sep 2007, 7:24 pm

I am just not an inately violent person. I only have that capaity when I am insanely angry during a meltdown, otherwise, violence repulses me.



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04 Sep 2007, 7:46 pm

I don't carry any weapons. I'm relatively sure my aunt will give me a can of Mace for when I go to college, but I probably won't remember to carry that.

It's rather safe around here, and I don't go out at night. Still, I know things happen (no where's perfect); there was a rash of attempted kidnappings a year or two back (fortunately the children aren't completely foolish). People refused to believe it because of where this is ("Stuff like that doesn't happen here!"), and it could have turned into a very serious problem. It didn't though, as whoever it was moved on a few towns, and then moved on again (or maybe just gave up at that point, though I would doubt it). There can be danger everywhere, of course.


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04 Sep 2007, 7:49 pm

You should at least carry the mace. The world becomes more and more insane by the minute.