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This whole genetic obesity thing has to be one of the biggest myths around...

Not completely, but a myth nonetheless. If a person is eating a clean, healthy diet, they should not be obese. There are rare cases where they can be, but this is no excuse nor is it even worth considering in debate. Besides high fat low nutrition diets, one of the biggest problems is hormones. We get it through BPA in plastics, through conventional dairy and meats (hormone injections), through hygiene products, and through pesticides. We are assaulted with estrogen which causes the storage of excess fat, and the fatter you get, the more estrogen you can store. This is "stubborn fat". So, if a person tells you they've done everything they can and they're still overweight, they're probably lying. They probably haven't bought organic fruits and vegetables, cut out red meat, bought organic dairy (or, preferably, cut out dairy), stopped eating canned foods and food and drinks in plastic containing BPA, stopped using fabric softener, conventional deoderant, conventional soap, etc. They probably haven't stuck to this lifestyle, either. They probably still drink diet soda thinking it's good for them. They probably don't eat enough fruits and veggies. Even if you have a slow metabolism, you should not be overweight if you avoid these dangerous chemicals and eat a healthy and balanced diet.

I wish people would stop complaining and playing victim and actually take charge of their lives. The modern American diet is not only nutritionally devoid, but it's effin' toxic. Do something about it rather than calling people "sizeist" or whatever.

They SHOULD not be Obese, but they are.

I am doing something about it. I'm accepting my size. I do eat healthy, even though that doesn't result in me meeting the ridiculous thin ideal. My doctor says I'm healthy, even though I'm not thin. Have you been through medical school? Are you a doctor?

Why don't you take responsibility for your life, and learn how to be less prejudiced and assumptive?

www.bigfatfacts.com

I said nothing prejudiced or assumptive. You're just obviously defensive and seeping insecurity. I am overweight myself. It was not necessarily my fault (I was raised with toxic food and poor nutrition), but it is my responsibility to take care of it. If you are a rare case, so be it, but I really doubt it, and I think you're just whining and making excuses. Does your doctor say anything about the several damaging chemicals in our food supply? I doubt it. Your doctor doesn't handle issues that are that pervasive, nor does he really measure it's effects on your health.

Do you actively avoid estrogenic chemicals? I noticed you didn't even respond to the actual point of my post...

Your website is laughable, by the way. You are painfully obvious in your motivations.

Your "point" that fat people are at fault for not making themselves thin at any cost? That fat people are liars? That unless a fat person is spending their time and effort 24/7 to eat perfectly they don't have the right to exsist?

It's not my website, it's a website by a blog site:

www.bigfatblog.com

Painfully obvious in that I want to end the kind of blatant size prejudice that you have displayed so openly here?

First of all, what cost? What I advocate simply requires conscious consumption. It is not extreme at all; it's not a restrictive diet.

Secondly, there is a reason more people are obese today. There is a reason people are more obese today. So, yes, the vast majority of overweight people are at fault; either by making themselves overweight, or by not handling the issue. I advocate good health, and good health implies a healthy body weight. Something is wrong if you can't lose that weight. Most likely, it is the chemicals in food, as that is the widespread issue.



No, not specifically, but spoiled Americans tend to lie about their faults; putting up a facade of morality and perfection. They tend to refuse to admit their faults. May I remind you, that I have done just that in this very thread, while you continue to argue against things people never said (which you've done since the start of this thread--I can document this for you, if you really want to go there).



I don't see how it takes time and effort to do that, nor do I see how anything I advocated implies eating perfectly. The human body can adapt to a lot, but the artificial and hormone charged junk we eat today has screwed our body chemistry. That's what I talked about. Nor did I say anything about their right to exist. See, you're just making stuff up. Delusional...



I know. You're being too literal. It is laughable regardless.



Document this prejudice, please. You won't, however, because all you've done is read some facts and then interpreted it as an attack against people. On the contrary, if you want to eat unhealthy, then go on ahead. But don't make excuses about it. If you honestly have tried avoiding the causes of obesity, and you are genetically such (although these genes probably just means your sensitive to the things I talked about, rather than unavoidably overweight), then there is no problem, as you could very well be healthy. That doesn't change the fact that most overweight people are overweight because they're unhealthy.

That's what's painfully obvious. I think you're lying and insecure because you take arms and argue obvious strawman arguments. You've done it since the start of the thread. You're acting like you've got something to prove about yourself and it shows, bad.

Last edited by SertraOD on 07 Dec 2008, 8:01 am, edited 1 time in total.

I guess then my only option is to leave. It has become very clear that the feelings of others means very little to you.

You are a ridiculous individual. It is not my fault you make stuff up and go on the offense over nothing but facts.

Seriously, I said I'm overweight...

Try popping Olanzapine for a while and see how long you stay thin.

Mhm. That would tie in to my statements about chemicals in the food supply, although in this case it's legitimate to continue the dosage.

SertraOD, why can't you just agree to disagree. Nobody seems really interested in your argument aside from yourself.

Wait, didn't you just get done calling me prejudice? Isn't that pretty much all you said to me?

What are we agreeing to disagree about? You seem interested enough to get defensive, but I guess now you want to wave your magic wand and change your story.

That just means you have to bust more ass more than most.

What it means is that I'm tired of wasting my time trying to educate people on how to accept people who are fat. It's not my problem, if you'd rather live life not meeting some of who have been the most genuinely nice people I've met. People who also happen to be fat, that's fine. I'm sure they wouldn't want to have to contend with a sizeist like you either. Go ahead keep throwing a tantrum saying "All you say is I'm prejudiced! That's all you say!" It seems to please you in some way. I on the other hand, enjoy finding companionship with people who understand what it's like to be hated simply for having the non-idealized body size. Hopefully you will one day be willing to let your guard down and be able to accept yourself too.

It's clear SertraOD that you harbor a lot of anger, how much of that is from being treated badly daily for being overweight? Is your solution now to bother people with the same diet advice that is told to you every day? Becoming the bully instead of the bullied? It doesn't work, all you will do is make yourself miserable and isolated. I guess if you'd rather have that then a supportive size positive environment, where people not only accept their bodies as being fat, but learn to love them, so be it.

You claim I'm insecure, it's rather clear you are the one who is insecure SertraOD, coming back and constantly tearing down my posts. Maybe the idea that people have been wrong about being overweight, and all the years you've had it drilled into your mind that being fat is your fault, is hard to let go of for some reason. I've only been trying to help, but you can't lead a Yoshi to water and make it drink.

I'm fat, and I'm happy. I'm Sid. :O)

Not sure what problem you have with violet_yoshi. Perhaps you might help us out by being more obvious in your motivations or points?

Do you have any references for your statement that "most overweight people are overweight because they're unhealthy."

You're making some pretty strong statements without any grounding.