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29 Oct 2020, 5:23 pm

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He was also deeply enmeshed in the occult


He of course borrowed the swastika symbol (and name) from hinduism.

The irony is that the symbol was present in India 5000 years ago and has no association with Indo-Europeans as he thought (or wished). The swastika below was dug in Harappa India.

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On the flipside...the star of david was also present in southern India 10,000 years ago (long before judaism)

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This star of david is carved into a rockface and is thought to be 10,000 years old

Yes the "star of david's" connection to Judaism is unclear aside that it emerged during the middle ages in Europe. The symbol more readily associated with the Jewish people was the golden menorah.
The star of david's a little easier to draw...

The three dimensional star of david is called a merkabah, or chariot, and most definitely looks and feels like a symbolic representation of an interdimensional traveler.



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29 Oct 2020, 9:19 pm

Yes that was my point.

The star of David was adopted among Czech jews in the 17th century on the perceived similarity to King David's shield. https://kafkadesk.org/2018/09/27/star-o ... in-prague/

This means two of the most powerful symbols in judaism and nazism were both actually copied and possibly culturally appropriated.



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30 Oct 2020, 5:47 am

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Yes that was my point.

The star of David was adopted among Czech jews in the 17th century on the perceived similarity to King David's shield. https://kafkadesk.org/2018/09/27/star-o ... in-prague/

This means two of the most powerful symbols in judaism and nazism were both actually copied and possibly culturally appropriated.

1354 Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV
That's interesting it's been traced to the specific person



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30 Oct 2020, 6:20 pm

adromedanblackhole wrote:
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Yes that was my point.

The star of David was adopted among Czech jews in the 17th century on the perceived similarity to King David's shield. https://kafkadesk.org/2018/09/27/star-o ... in-prague/

This means two of the most powerful symbols in judaism and nazism were both actually copied and possibly culturally appropriated.

1354 Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV
That's interesting it's been traced to the specific person


There's an interesting confluence of great thinkers of the renaissance and eastern philosophy. Many of the founding fathers of European colonies in the United States, Canada, Australia etc all seemed to be affiliated or members of the masons who adopted symbolism from ancient near east cultures which can be seen in the masonry and design of buildings right up to the 20th century.



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30 Oct 2020, 9:41 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Yes that was my point.

The star of David was adopted among Czech jews in the 17th century on the perceived similarity to King David's shield. https://kafkadesk.org/2018/09/27/star-o ... in-prague/

This means two of the most powerful symbols in judaism and nazism were both actually copied and possibly culturally appropriated.

1354 Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV
That's interesting it's been traced to the specific person


There's an interesting confluence of great thinkers of the renaissance and eastern philosophy. Many of the founding fathers of European colonies in the United States, Canada, Australia etc all seemed to be affiliated or members of the masons who adopted symbolism from ancient near east cultures which can be seen in the masonry and design of buildings right up to the 20th century.

FREEMASONRY BUILDS ITS TEMPLES
AMONGST THE NATIONS
AND IN THE HEARTS OF MEN
- Inscription above the Hollywood Masonic Lodge
Again the tradition allegedly upholds the secret knowledge of the universe passed down from Hiram Abiff the chief architect of the Temple of Solomon.



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30 Oct 2020, 10:33 pm

My sister is an architect, her understanding is that Hiram Abiff is an allegory where his central character is a vehicle for the passing of secret knowledge. I don't think it's mean't to mean he literally carried or passed secret knowledge to his followers.

Much of European knowledge on architecture is from the Romans and they learned from the Greeks. The Greeks acknowledge they learned knowledge of architecture, engineering, science and medicine was from the ancient Egyptians. Many of the masonic symbolism is a mix of ancient Babylonian, Sumerian and Egyptian.



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30 Oct 2020, 11:13 pm

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My sister is an architect, her understanding is that Hiram Abiff is an allegory where his central character is a vehicle for the passing of secret knowledge. I don't think it's mean't to mean he literally carried or passed secret knowledge to his followers.

Much of European knowledge on architecture is from the Romans and they learned from the Greeks. The Greeks acknowledge they learned knowledge of architecture, engineering, science and medicine was from the ancient Egyptians. Many of the masonic symbolism is a mix of ancient Babylonian, Sumerian and Egyptian.

I think I already covered this in this thread
Freemasonry just kind of popped on the scene out of nowhere in the 18th century in England. Very unlikely it is carrying an unbroken chain of secret knowledge from ~ 956 BCE.



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30 Oct 2020, 11:29 pm

adromedanblackhole wrote:
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My sister is an architect, her understanding is that Hiram Abiff is an allegory where his central character is a vehicle for the passing of secret knowledge. I don't think it's mean't to mean he literally carried or passed secret knowledge to his followers.

Much of European knowledge on architecture is from the Romans and they learned from the Greeks. The Greeks acknowledge they learned knowledge of architecture, engineering, science and medicine was from the ancient Egyptians. Many of the masonic symbolism is a mix of ancient Babylonian, Sumerian and Egyptian.

I think I already covered this in this thread
Freemasonry just kind of popped on the scene out of nowhere in the 18th century in England. Very unlikely it is carrying an unbroken chain of secret knowledge from ~ 956 BCE.

Yes, and no.

The Freemasons were a thing a 1000 years ago. They were the guys who built the Gothic Cathedrals of Europe.

Historians have found the minutes of a meeting of freemasons in Edinburgh Scotland in the late 1600s. And theyve found the minutes of a meeting of Freemasons in London in the early 1700s. The Edinburgh meeting was a meeting of ...actual Freemasons. A guild meeting by guys who were actual tradesmen who made their living by actually cutting stone.

The London minutes were of gentleman's club (aristocrats who didnt ply any manual trade). So "something happened to the Freemasons between 1680 and 1720" as the TV documentary voiceover said.

So Freemasons did exist as a guild of tradesmen (among all of the other trade guilds) in Middle Ages Europe. But yes...the Freemasons as we know them today did "appear in the 18th centurey". That was the secret society that Jefferson, and Washington, etc, all belonged to.

And that these guys belonged to:



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31 Oct 2020, 12:08 am

adromedanblackhole wrote:
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My sister is an architect, her understanding is that Hiram Abiff is an allegory where his central character is a vehicle for the passing of secret knowledge. I don't think it's mean't to mean he literally carried or passed secret knowledge to his followers.

Much of European knowledge on architecture is from the Romans and they learned from the Greeks. The Greeks acknowledge they learned knowledge of architecture, engineering, science and medicine was from the ancient Egyptians. Many of the masonic symbolism is a mix of ancient Babylonian, Sumerian and Egyptian.

I think I already covered this in this thread
Freemasonry just kind of popped on the scene out of nowhere in the 18th century in England. Very unlikely it is carrying an unbroken chain of secret knowledge from ~ 956 BCE.


I think its slowly becoming acceptable to historians that there is punctuated equilibrium in the history of human progress. Civilisations rose and fell into obscurity and between the rise and fall of civilisations there was a period of technological advancement which went to ruin when barbarians over-ran the old civilisation.

India, Iraq, Egypt and Persia are examples of civilisations that once dominated and held great power but they subsequently disintegrated.

The renaissance in Europe created global European empires, an empire that is currently ruling the world.



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02 Nov 2020, 11:14 pm

What say anyone on Atlantis and aliens...



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02 Nov 2020, 11:19 pm

adromedanblackhole wrote:
What say anyone on Atlantis and aliens...


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02 Nov 2020, 11:20 pm

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What say anyone on Atlantis and aliens...


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Is that Jason Mamoa?



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02 Nov 2020, 11:22 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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What say anyone on Atlantis and aliens...



Is that Jason Mamoa?


Yep.



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02 Nov 2020, 11:25 pm

adromedanblackhole wrote:
What say anyone on Atlantis and aliens...


You want an alien.
Well, you got one. :mrgreen:

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02 Nov 2020, 11:25 pm

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What say anyone on Atlantis and aliens...


Nearly every culture has similar flood myths to Atlantis (including Noah in the bible). The basis of their story stems from the same event.

Atlantis was likely a memory of a precursor pre-deluvian civilisation which existed prior to the ice age. When the ice age ended the sea levels rose a great flood destroyed their civilisation. Their descendants spread out populating the near east and India.

The Tamils of South India claim to be descended from a sunken continent called Lemuria (another advanced paradise) from which their ancestors fled to India in a series of eras/epochs they call Sanghams.



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02 Nov 2020, 11:27 pm

It's weird how Jason Mamoa went from Stargate-Atlantis to actually acting in Atlantis as Aquaman??