What do you most detest in people?

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03 Oct 2016, 5:14 pm

OdysseusNemo wrote:

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Yes--many think of that as "winning" the social game, because they think they are some of the only individuals who "see through the lies" to the truth of the social game, and that they dominate those around them because of this "secret vision of the truth" that they possess. They think they are strong because they avoid the weakness of interdependence, they think it makes them superior to the rest of us, and that we are all vulnerable to them because we can't see through the shared delusions; in their view, this makes us ripe for manipulation and exploitation. They see us as puppets and themselves as puppet-masters, pulling strings behind the scenes--they see themselves as the ones with all the power, and they like it that way.

Well, if you want to know what antisocial spectrum people actually think, may I politely suggest just asking the antisocial person in the room? I'd very much appreciate it if you'd remember that we're people with feelings too, not just objects to be talked past like we're not even there. I'm a human being, not a cardboard antisocial stereotype out of a popular TV series. I'm not a laboratory animal. And please remember that if you've met one antisocial person, you've met one antisocial person. We're not all the same person—we're different people with unique individual personalities. We're also hated by society and forced to hide ourselves for being something we didn't choose. Just like many of you.

I'm a sociopath. I'm also a university-educated bisexual woman, a high-functioning autistic, a child abuse and sexual assault survivor, and a moderately successful businesswoman in my early thirties. Being sociopathic is one part of my identity and doesn't define who I am.

Some of the things you've read about us are true, some of them are overgeneralisations, and some of them are false and unfair. I would very much like to have a civilised conversation to move beyond stereotypes and clear up which is which.

You are shunned by society because you are by nature dangerous--it might not be your "fault", but that doesn't make it any less true that you don't have the capacity to feel enough shame to keep your conscience active enough to prevent you from using and hurting others to get what you want. You are inherently dangerous because of this--you have admitted already that you use people and feel no compunction about it. I will say I respect those of you who have enough self control to keep your distance from others and to stay above the law (even if that is motivated by self-interest it still makes you measurably more safe than those of your kind with less self-control.) I don't envy you your position, but I'm wise enough and experienced enough with your type to know to keep my distance because there is just no safety around your kind. This is why people shun you--it's protective, and sensible.

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03 Oct 2016, 5:25 pm

People using vulgar language excessively in regular conversations like it's a normal thing to do. Seriously, to me, it's just rude and annoying. Of course, I don't really mind the words like "hell" and "damn", but the words that many people use such as the four letter words that start with "s" and "f", oh man, it makes me feel like I just want to... :wall:

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03 Oct 2016, 5:29 pm

wilburforce wrote:

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What she's saying sounds like BS - simply "lacking empathy" doesn't qualify as a sociopathic diagnosis, since it's a trait associated with other impairments such as AS as well. The DSM criteria include intentional engagement in crime or destructive activities toward others, and normally no one is officially diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder unless it's related to a conviction for crime.

There's also no conclusive evidence that someone can be "born" a sociopath, since the diagnosis requires actual sociopaths actions and behavior, not just "impaired empathy"

So unless she's willing to give specific details, I call BS - if she just self-diagnosed herself based on some "online sociopath test" then it's as rubbish as online IQ tests (e.x. I took one of those online tests once and giving answers such as "I like to ride roller coasters" apparently mean you're a sociopath).

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03 Oct 2016, 6:18 pm

Soulsparrer

You don't know what the f**k you're talking about on a hilarious number of issues. You have no interest in learning and I have no interest in educating you. Go away.

Wilberfurce

Isn't it just wonderful to finally have an outgroup you can unleash all your hate at and no one will call you out for it? I mean, really, "your kind" -- go vote BNP already. Oh maybe you don't know that the bonding empathy you cherish so much also causes distrust and suspicion of nonconformists and out-groups? That it encourages in-group bias? Seriously oxytocin isn't black and white and neither are people or life

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If anyone wants to have an actual conversation and get accurate information please just ask -- I've spent three years researching this stuff as a special interest out of total frustrated confusion at being aspie and sociopathic at the same time. All you have to do is be open-minded enough to listen and think for yourself rather than letting society and experts run your brains for you.

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03 Oct 2016, 6:32 pm

OdysseusNemo wrote:

I am not the one who is dangerous; I have a rather "loud" conscience and a strong sense of shame when I've done something I know is wrong and I have spent many years considering what I believe is right and wrong, and this regulates my behaviour pretty effectively and prevents me from harming others. I just choose to stay away from people like you who are not so well self-regulated, and that is my prerogative. I think sociopathy needs to be studied more than it has been, and we need to be able to identify and help people when they are young enough to be helped. If you see that as hate, that is your prerogative.

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03 Oct 2016, 7:03 pm

Oh and hey Soulsparrer. I was looking through your backlogs and found this! It's your very first intro post on WP (timestamp... yesterday):

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In the past I've had some mildly anti-social behavioral issues, such as aggression, grudges, immature sexual relations, mild drinking problems, general arrogance and egotism; I've been working to improve my character (I come from a dysfunctional family where some of these character issues are common).

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As an off-the-cuff example, aspergers people are sometimes perceived as "scary" or intimidating if they work too intensely and don't talk to others; I believe this is due to the fact that our evolutionary survivalistic instinct perceives those who we don't share things in common with as potential "threats", as this would possibly have been the case in hunter-gather times; likewise the same mindset utilized for problem-solving would also be used in combat or violence, which is a more "primative" [sic] type of problem solving, so an AS person who is perceived too intensely focused on their work or problem may end up exhibiting signs of anger or aggression which could frighten others - therefore learning to be in a more relaxed, mindful state tends to make this social dysfunction take care of itself).

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I'm backing away slowly now wrote:

Ironically I used to slightly sympathize with fascist or authoritarian policies, though this was a lot more theoretical and mentally-masturbatory than practical.

Run away from the low empathy control freak! wrote:

I realized it would never work since no person is infallible, it's only work in pure theory with a perfectly "wise and intelligent" ruler; probably relates to my elitist tendency to view the average Joe as kind of dumb and apathetic about life.

ROTFL. You know every single person who has gratuitously attacked me since the moment I came on this site has turned out to have antisocial/callous-unemotional skeletons in their closet? The people who feel secure that they're good, moral, caring people don't need to do that. They can also convey their moral disapproval while keeping reasonable and fair.

Stones. Glass houses. Don't Just Don't.

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03 Oct 2016, 7:34 pm

OdysseusNemo wrote:

Oh and hey Soulsparrer. I was looking through your backlogs and found this! It's your very first intro post on WP (timestamp... yesterday):

a slightly creepy guy wrote:

no, really my creepdar's going off wrote:

also:

I'm backing away slowly now wrote:

Ironically I used to slightly sympathize with fascist or authoritarian policies, though this was a lot more theoretical and mentally-masturbatory than practical.

Run away from the low empathy control freak! wrote:

I have no "antisocial" skeletons in my closet. I am way too much of an internaliser, a ruminant, anxious and self-reflective to be a sociopath or exhibit antisocial behaviours. Among my many symptoms and several diagnoses antisocial behaviour and personality traits are not. I don't use people or manipulate because there is no point to me in those behaviours, they don't make any more sense to me than many NT social customs so I don't bother with them. (I'm assuming you are including me in your "attackers" because I expressed that IRL I tend to limit my exposure to people with antisocial traits.)

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03 Oct 2016, 7:45 pm

What do I most detest in people? (May I crash? :lol: Or just don't mind me)

Never mind people's vanity. Never mind people's hypocrisy. Never mind anti socials. Never mind the greedy and selfish people. Never mind the stupid game that people plays. Never mind the desperates and the annoying. Never mind extremists, neutrals, passivism, reactionists, or those who started them all. And never mind ignoramus and irrational.

What I detest in people the most is envy. Plain and simple.
No matter what circumstances, no matter what reason, no matter the intentions or why such emotion exists, whether one acts upon it or not.

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03 Oct 2016, 7:51 pm

OdysseusNemo wrote:

Soulsparrer

You don't know what the f**k you're talking about on a hilarious number of issues. You have no interest in learning and I have no interest in educating you. Go away.

Nope, I was just challenging your claim about being a "sociopath", unless it's an actual clinical diagnosis then I don't think people should go tossing that word around. Were you clinically diagnosed or is this just an armchar diagnosis? Was a simple question - and I wasn't judging you.

Plus I never said I was a "sociopath", I said I've had behavioral issues like anger problems in the past - but most people have done some wrong things in their life and had remorse, but that wouldn't make them a full-fledged "sociopath".

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03 Oct 2016, 7:53 pm

wilburforce wrote:

OdysseusNemo wrote:

Oh and hey Soulsparrer. I was looking through your backlogs and found this! It's your very first intro post on WP (timestamp... yesterday):

a slightly creepy guy wrote:

no, really my creepdar's going off wrote:

also:

I'm backing away slowly now wrote:

Ironically I used to slightly sympathize with fascist or authoritarian policies, though this was a lot more theoretical and mentally-masturbatory than practical.

Run away from the low empathy control freak! wrote:

Since she refuses to give details, was she ever diagnosed as a sociopath by a professional or did she just come to this conclusion on her own?

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03 Oct 2016, 8:04 pm

I am not at ease around people who never swear.

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03 Oct 2016, 8:43 pm

auntblabby wrote:

I am not at ease around people who never swear.

Me either!

I detest disloyalty and dishonesty. And people who dont think for themselves. And probably many other things.

People who are militantly anti drug annoy the s**t outta me. No ones telling you you have to leave people alone...

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03 Oct 2016, 8:48 pm

I don't swear too much. But I do swear.

I don't like sentences where every other words is a swear word.

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03 Oct 2016, 8:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I don't swear too much. But I do swear.

I don't like sentences where every other words is a swear word.

How about every third word?

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