validity of ADHD

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There are some who think AS is not real you know, how come you don't share that same view? it could very well be an excuse as well. And we all can be just, being tricked.

So let me ask you, if a kid shows ADD/ADHD chracteristics, how as a parent should you handle it? and I hope you won't consider spanking or higher discipline or something like that.

Strattera seems to help me to focus. I have been diagnosed with ADHD among other things (Aspergers, atypical bipolar, OCD, and more.)

Attention/lack thereof and hyperactivity are both behaviours, this is true. And it is true that they are behaviours that many people display. However, in the case of ADD/HD, they are causing problems that significantly interfere with a person's ability to function.

I don't think that sounds very scientific, more like denying something with some sort of prejudice. I haven't been diagnosed with RLS, although it is not that strong, still, it is not something I can control, I would take a doctor's opinion more seriously than some random person on the internet, which I don't know the intention behind these kind of posts and seems questionable, but then, it might not be like that as well.

Well, I'll try again...

Here's what you said recently...

And again...

And again...


I then responded to these sentences specifically with this...

And this...


You did not respond directly to my remarks above... instead, you came back with this...


This is what I call 'dancing around my post'.
You made several claims of the same nature... WP is a community for AS and not ADD.
I brought you evidence to show where you made a mistake.
You did not acknowledge your mistake or what I showed you. Instead you change course and bring up this other quote from WP which has nothing to do with your claim that WP is not for people with ADD...


You seem to be blind to fact when it is presented to you... you change topic instead of addressing the current comment presented to you.

I believe it is you who is 'freaking out'... not anyone else here and certainly not I...

You didn't just miss a sentence... you made a claim before you properly checked it out, i.e. the claim that WP is not for people with ADD.

That's a poor tactic to use in an argument, since I have been reading and responding to your posts.

Last edited by wsmac on 30 Dec 2007, 11:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It doesn't do any good for you to tell me about these imaginary ppl who don't believe Autism is a disorder. My daughter is low-functioning Autistic with a sensory integration dysfunction. When she's really out of it, you can feel her muscles physically twitching. It doesn't do any good for you to give me a he-said she-said of "some ppl think that autism isn't real" - unless you believe this yourself and you can prove to me why Autism is not a pervasive developmental disorder then you shouldn't even bring it up. And your point is...........

As a parent of a child who is diagnosed as autistic and have had many ppl comment that she should be tested of ADD/ADHD, this is what I do. She has a lot of characteristics that look like ADHD due to her dysfuntion of her vestubular, proprioceptive, and tactile senses. Her sensory integration dysfunction causes her to seek out stimulation. I have her in a tumbling class, I cook all her foods, and when she can't sleep sometimes I'll give her Valarian root. Theres no easy answer. She is simply a child who needs a lot of attention. There are times when she'll be climbing the wall at 2:00am literally (she'll climb up the hallway walls like spiderman until she reaches the ceiling, kinda annoying kinda cool), when the natural stuff doesn't help, when the little tricks don't help. Sometimes it's best to get out the mini trampoline and just go with it. But I'll be yamned before I have her on any stroke inducing magic insta cure.

you follow orders fast, but no your not going to get out that easy. You need to respond to every paragraph I've directed towards you from the beginning of the thread.

You have told several of us on this thread that we do not offer up proof.
Yet you have not offered up proof either.
You have claimed that ADD/HD is not real
You have claimed it is all about schools getting money, doctors getting money, and the drug companies getting money.
Here is a quote...


You have also said this...

Yet, you have not presented any facts so far on this thread. You've provided plenty of opinion.

You came here making claims without facts to substantiate them.
You then claim you have presented facts, which again, you have not.
You turn things around and make this an issue of us having to provide facts to refute your opinion which you claim is based upon facts.

You want everyone else here to pony up the facts... except you.
You took a position, made a baseless claim, with no intention of backing it all up from what I gather here.

You appear to me to be angry about certain aspects of your life and your daughter's life.
From the words you have typed here, it seem evident to me that this is the whole reason for starting this thread.
You are angry and you want to be heard.
This is my opinion based upon your words and actions here.

I'm sorry you have such an issue to deal with.

Last edited by wsmac on 30 Dec 2007, 11:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

If I accept your 'orders', as you put it... you should be held to the same standard shouldn't you?
You still have not responded to the single issue about the fact that this website is also for people with ADD/HD.
Let's start there and see where it goes.

Otherwise you are just continuing to voice your displeasure and falsehoods about ADD/HD with the expecation that you will not be challenged and will not have to properly defend your position.

Funny thing is, you are bringing this ADHD and RLS (Wittmaack-Ekbom's syndrome) not being real, without providing a substancial proof, you should take your own advise

I believe some people have their own reasons to refuse to believe it, like thinking of being an excuse for bratty kids being brats, violent or lazy, from ignorance or even bad experience.

Last edited by greenblue on 31 Dec 2007, 2:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

Yowza!

I have been unable to digest most of this thread yet...but it is relevant to me as i am a diagnosed ADDer...and I am not diagnosed with Aspergers.....i am not sure I would be able to be diagnosed with Aspergers were I to try to get a diagnosis.....

I sought my diagnosis/treatment on my own as an adult after spending my entire life struggling with executive dysfunction, severe disorganization, and many other issues that have given me serious trouble in work and school..social..artistic life......and so on and so forth.....

It is very frustrating...I am of above average intelligence (supposedly)...but there are so many things that are difficult for me...i can't drive a car due to spatial issues anxiety and sensory overload (not for lack of trying)..my difficulty telling left from right makes it hard as well...
I can't complete necc. tasks without a ton of mental static in the form of random thoughts and impulses that are likely to send me off in different directions...therefore it takes me signifigantly longer to complete tasks than the average person due to the constant bombardment of outside thoughts and the inability to filter. I am very impule driven....tend towards OCD.....I am severly disorganised...i really don't know how to control it...just like I don't know how to not be a packrat.

I could go on and on...i have alot of issues that are shared by alot of folks with AS....but I have all this other stuff to boot.

One could argue that what I thought was ADD was really AS all along....but I think it is more than that.
Many of my traits run counter to typical AS behavior even though I have alot in common...stimming..narrow interests...lack of eye contact..socil problems..emotional immaturity...basic (albiet mild)developmental abnormalities...(toe-walking)....blah blah blah.

I have known many many people (like my parents)who don't believe that ADD is real...and many people who think that Aspergers is malarkey....or that you can't be autistic unless you act just like Rain Man....

and my point is...um....I do have a point.....

ADD might be overdiagnosed...There are probably alot of people who think they have AS but don't (i could be one of them for all I know)....But they are both real....and it is possible to have one or the other or both.

Thanks for the offer but we're committed to not stuffing around with my son's medication anymore. We spent a year and a half doing all sorts of tests and Ritalin came out as the only thing that was even a little effective.

You say that you have a low functioning autistic child. I'm guessing that unless you also have an ADD/ADHD/HFA child, you probably wouldn't need Ritalin. After all it's not really designed for Autistic use - should have no impact there.

It certainly doesn't affect my son's aspie traits but merely helps him control the ADD traits (which are a very small part of Aspergers).

Maybe you're medically qualified but if you don't have another child and you're not medically qualified, I don't see how you could be in a position to offer alternative remedies.

I'm monitoring the situation closely but haven't seen any side effects so far. Funnily enough he was sleepless and had very little appetite before Ritalin. So was I as a child - and I never had it.

Hey y'all, sorry for anyone I may have insulted. This probably isn't the best place for me, I should be on a natural health discussion board or something. God bless and good luck with your struggles

Well, I do honestly hate to see you leave.
I was hoping we could sort this out over time.

Thanks for saying goodbye though... it's better than wondering what happened to you if you had just disappeared.

So long Braveheartlion!

braveheartlion,

You haven't insulted us... we're all a bit screwy with language interpretation. I'm sorry it I was a bit harsh on the natural remedies... I'm just tired of being told by people that I'm doing the wrong thing.

I'm doing my best.

You've got every right to your beliefs and I'm sure you'll be able to help a lot of people the natural way. Good luck in your endeavors.

Oh, btw: If you did want to discuss natural remedies, simply create a new post that says you want to discuss them, without negative interference. There's no reason why "like-believers" can't discuss them on WP. It's just a little confrontational when it appears in the middle of a different type of discussion.

Oh, if braveheartlion has gone, there is no point putting down all the stuff in my head that I just accumulated from pages 3 to 5. Now I shall have to do someting with it. Nevermind. It is a shame a misunderstanding has ended this way. Although I must say, if anyone saw me, or my sleeping area, the word perfectionist would not be the first that springs to mind. It is normally crazy.