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30 Nov 2008, 5:36 am

I have mixed feelings about the death penalty.

It does at first seem to be a quick and easy solution to some of the worst of the worst of people who do bad things. For instance with the death penalty it prevents reoffending, and I am sure that some crimes will quite rightly provoke a great feeling of disgust in the law abiding majority.

I worry about several things.

1. Mistakes made by the legal system, once someone is dead you can not bring them back to life. There have been cases where people have lied in court and then innocent people have been executed.

2. Death as a soft option, years ago in England there were two very nasty sadists who even ended up being used as text book examples of sadists in an academic book. They were responsible for the Moors Murders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brady). One of them Ian Brady dearly wants to die but he is being forced to stay alive. He has found a live behind bars to be worse than death.


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30 Nov 2008, 6:40 am

I don't think justice should be about what 'you' want. I think it should serve as an analytic, objective measure to prevent emotive reaction.

HAL_9000, that's quite barbaric. It also cuts out the argument that offenders cannot shift responsibility, as you are clearly saying the parents have a profound responsibility- and if so, it would make no sense to punish the bully also. In other words, it appears that severely injuring the parents in response to what happened to that poor, poor child is nothing but mindless anger at the best, or at the worst, a grim, perhaps vice-ridden outlook concerning the motivation of harming others.



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30 Nov 2008, 8:38 am

I agree with what Woodpecker says about mistakes in the legal system.

The death penalty is primitive and barbaric. Saudi Arabia has it, what does THAT tell you?!


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30 Nov 2008, 9:38 am

I don't support the death penalty. I don't think that killing someone quickly and painlessly is a good punishment for people who brutally murder their victims. They should be locked up by themselves for the rest of their pathetic lives. :!:



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30 Nov 2008, 9:40 am

Also I don't really think that we should decide who lives and who dies. :twisted:



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30 Nov 2008, 9:43 am

gemstone123 wrote:
I don't support the death penalty. I don't think that killing someone quickly and painlessly is a good punishment for people who brutally murder their victims. They should be locked up by themselves for the rest of their pathetic lives. :!:


Your right, they should die SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY :twisted:



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30 Nov 2008, 10:07 am

Relating to the last post, how's this for ya?:

http://listverse.com/history/top-10-gru ... execution/

Personally I think skinning should be above neclacing, but there you go.



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30 Nov 2008, 10:09 am

prison for life is hard enough ; death penalty shouldn't be applied, who wants to be taken his life ?
In France, death penalty got prohibited in 1972, although, the last condemnation was in end of 50's.
That's all I had to say.


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30 Nov 2008, 12:52 pm

Those are gruesome executions especially the Scaphism one. :eew:
The modern ones aren't like that though because people think that they're too cruel. :roll:



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30 Nov 2008, 1:48 pm

I'm shocked by a few of the c0mments in here.

How can torturing and killing people ever be right? Some of you sound no better than the people who killed or hurt people in the first place.


And though I don't support the death penalty at all I can see where people are coming with it in an 'eye for an eye' type situation. But here it looks like the person was paralysed and not killed - bad as it it paralysis is a whole different and lower league to murder. It makes it even more shocking to see some of your comments.

The death penalty hasn't even been proved to work as a deterant. Murders still happened in the past in areas which don't have the death penalty now and even if you compare the murder and violent crime rates betwene areas which currentyly do and don't, you won't actually see much difference if any.

You need to make sure that you have baisc prisons for offenders which can keep them, but not give them a luxoury life. I feel that some sort of work education should also be a must for them - education for those who wish to better themselves as a form of rehabilitation for when they are released and work for those who don't want education/want skills/won't be released. If they won't work they only have the most basic life in prison.

Latly, the worst possible person to decide on a punishment for a criminal is the victim or the friends and family of the victim. That's why we have the system we do in most countries where independent/uninvolved people can look at the situation with a level head and decide what is appropriate, rather than having some deeply hurt person deciding to do the most violent harmful, painful thing they can do. Violence isn't an answer to violence.



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30 Nov 2008, 2:00 pm

I totaly agree :twisted:



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30 Nov 2008, 8:26 pm

I believe we should keep culling the aggressive gene out of the human race, our technology has basically stopped that process.

That's the direction we were heading, inability to cooperate and to be able to work together and share ideas is the only real thing that separates us from being monkeys. We evolve to address our needs, our increased intelligence and the ability to use tools is what caused us to gain thumbs. Our ability to work together is what defines us as being humans, you don't evolve physically without the need, monkeys gained longer arms because they needed to climb through trees faster, we gained thumbs because we had the knowledge but not the physical capability to use tools. Technically our thumbs could be considered a side effect of our knowledge. Well enough rambling.

At the very least I believe that these sorts of people shouldnt be allowed to have children, not only because it would pass on a sociopath gene it would also save lives in future generations, plus think of the type of father/mother figure these people would be.

If you really think about it, the death penalty saves resources, why keep them in prison, giving them a place to stay, food to eat. Just look at it this way, do nothing illegal, stay out of jail, food may be scarce so you're not guaranteed a meal. Yet if you just steal a car or kill someone then you are guaranteed a warm bed and a free meal, with your only concern being boredom and the occasional heavy breathing fun-seeker. Keeping these dead weights strapped to us is completely irrational especially if all they do is intentionally cause other people misery. Oh and I was talking about aggressive crazies in general.


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01 Dec 2008, 4:19 am

Mike61290 wrote:
I believe we should keep culling the aggressive gene out of the human race, our technology has basically stopped that process.

That's the direction we were heading, inability to cooperate and to be able to work together and share ideas is the only real thing that separates us from being monkeys. We evolve to address our needs, our increased intelligence and the ability to use tools is what caused us to gain thumbs. Our ability to work together is what defines us as being humans, you don't evolve physically without the need, monkeys gained longer arms because they needed to climb through trees faster, we gained thumbs because we had the knowledge but not the physical capability to use tools. Technically our thumbs could be considered a side effect of our knowledge. Well enough rambling.

At the very least I believe that these sorts of people shouldnt be allowed to have children, not only because it would pass on a sociopath gene it would also save lives in future generations, plus think of the type of father/mother figure these people would be.

If you really think about it, the death penalty saves resources, why keep them in prison, giving them a place to stay, food to eat. Just look at it this way, do nothing illegal, stay out of jail, food may be scarce so you're not guaranteed a meal. Yet if you just steal a car or kill someone then you are guaranteed a warm bed and a free meal, with your only concern being boredom and the occasional heavy breathing fun-seeker. Keeping these dead weights strapped to us is completely irrational especially if all they do is intentionally cause other people misery. Oh and I was talking about aggressive crazies in general.



Nah, seriously, it's really not as simple as that. Genetics and environmental factors combine, and there is some evidence to suggest that head injuries are what is to account for some antisocial, even sociopathic behaviour. Ever heard of reactive attachment disorder? I was almost diagnosed with it, and there's an example of environmental factors really messing you up.