IsabellaLinton wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Punishment is effective....as something very unpleasant for the perpetrator.
I don’t want my rapist, say, to feel very good in life.
Justice isn't about rehabilitating these monsters, or even about 'punishing' them; the worst ones won't earn release and therefore don't need to be taught a lesson.
Most violent offenders cannot be rehabilitated or changed, but they can be stopped. Prison takes their freedom just as they have taken ours. In that regard it is logical and just.
Justice is about upholding the law in a civilised society so that criminals are not on the streets to reoffend. Whether prison is a deterrent or not, is irrelevant. If the law is broken a person must be held accountable within the scope of the law, and the victim must be protected. Case closed. Otherwise, why do we have laws?
Furthermore, victims should not need to testify or give VIS to determine the sentence. The Criminal Code determines sentences. Testifying against violent criminals is just another form of abuse the legal system demands against the most vulnerable members of society, those who have already been traumatised. Speaking as someone who did need to testify against a violent, convicted psychopath and reveal extremely intimate details of the crime in a court of strangers, I can tell you it nearly killed me to relive the story for the sentencing. This was an unnecessary violation of my rights as a sovereign individual, because the perp was already convicted of their crime.
On behalf of other WP members who've experienced violent, sadistic, torturous premeditated crime, on behalf of those WP members including myself who have lost friends and family members to senseless murder, and on behalf of my nephew and his best friend who were butchered by a random gang of strangers, I stand firm that victims' rights come first.
Perps deserve the full extent of the law where they offend, whether that includes incarceration, capital punishment or institutionalisation for mental illness. This keeps victims safe.
vengeance is beneath us. if someone needs to be off the streets over safety concerns, that is reasonable. but, as ghandi said, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. i'm not speaking as someone who's not been affected. i've been beaten and sexually assaulted. the best revenge is living well.
perpetrators need to pay back society somehow. i'm not sure what the best way is. that's a natural consequence, not a punishment.
the death penalty is not reversible. you can't bring someone back if they're exonerated.
if a black person and a white person commit the same crime, the black person is more likely to get the death penalty. the death penalty is racist.
there but for the grace of god, go i. i'm not so self-righteous as to think, that given a different upbringing, i'd never have done anything heinous.
administering the death penalty is expensive.
the death penalty is not a deterrent according to 9/10 of criminal justice Ph.D.s.