The Mandela Effect

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Ooh, thanks for starting this interesting thread, Nurse Angela. I find the Mandela Effect and Glitch in the Matrix stories fascinating.

I can’t say anything about most celebrities’ death dates as I’m not interested in them at all and don’t notice these things. The correct spellings of a lot of American brands and stores are also lost on me.
I’ve never watched Forest Gump or Mr. Rodgers, so I don’t know about them either.
I only know the Norwegian title of Anne Rice’s book, and that was “En vampyrs bekjennelser”, which means a vampire’s confessions.
I’ve never been a big enough Star Wars or Star Trek fan to know if “Beam me up, Scotty” or “Luke, I am your father” was ever said by Kirk/ Darth Vader. It makes sense when making a SW reference to add Luke though, so people know what you’re talking about.
The “dirty rat” mentioned by naturalplastic is something I only know from the first Turtles movie.

I guess the movie quotes comes down to the same thing as the very famous Lassie plot. “Timmy’s in the well” is so well known, yet apparently Timmy never fell into a well in a single episode of Lassie.

I’ve never read the Berenstain Bear books, don’t even know if they were available in Norwegian at any point; the TV series was, but under the Norwegian name Bamsebybjørnene. I would think though that it makes sense that people would glance at the name and read it as “Berenstein” seeing as stein is a far more common ending in a surname than stain.

I’ve read Snow White as a fairy tale when I was little, but I’m not sure if I ever saw the movie. I remember it as “mirror mirror”, not “magic mirror”, and we have made rip offs of that quote and always used “mirror, mirror”.
I have a book called “Vintage Grimm The complete fairytales” and I just checked. It says “mirror, mirror on the wall”.

The word chartreuse popped up for the first time for me in 2011 and I looked it up and found a page that claimed it to be a reddish color. I never gave it another thought, so I was very surprised to find that it’s supposedly a green color.

Sicily was always right at the boot, being kicked. It used to amuse me a child, because it was about to be kicked like a ball.

Mandela definitely didn’t die in the 70’s or 80’s. I remember well that he was released from prison and he came to Norway in the early 90’s and a classmate of mine met him at a conference and shook his hand.
I do remember Mandela dying a few years ago.

I’ve heard the quote about the lion lying down with the lamb, but upon checking Isaiah 11:6 and 11: 7 both online and IRL, the passages go:
6And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.

The closest thing to Mandela effects I have:

I never watched Sex and/in the City, but I did see trailers for it on TV, and I could never make out if they said in or and. I’ve also been confused about whether it was Looney Toons and Loony Looney Tunes.

I too did think that New Zealand was north east of Australia.

The Chinese guy that kept stopping the tank on Tiananmen Square. It was said in the news that he was run over, and I remember my (cynical) 11 year old self thinking that “well, what did he think would happen? They’re not gonna avoid him forever.”
I got shivers when I heard last year (when learning about this alleged phenomenon) that he wasn’t killed, because I know the news claimed that he was. I don’t remember the claim being withdrawn either and neither does my mother.
In the context of the Mandela Effect it was eerie. I guess I am from a partly different parallel universe (I love that theory by the way!)

You may wish to check out The Mandela Effect and Glitch on Reddit, Angela; they make for very entertaining and sometimes eerie reads.

It could be that folks get Nelson Mandela confused with Steven Biko. The latter DID die in police custody in 1977.

Gosh! Skilpadde is another in the legion of folks who thought "New Zealand is north/northeast of Australia"!

Again - all of you are probably confusing "New Zealand" with "New Guinea".

But Skilpadde is sane enough to have "always known" that "Italy looks like its about to kick Sicily".

Thank you. I was always amused by that as a child too!

Hasnt ANY one but me ever heard of the "Strait of Messina"? Thats the name of the famous narrow waterway between mainland Italy and Sicily. There are even proposals to span the strait with a mega suspension bridge someday. Lol!

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Things people should realize about the Bible.

1. The King James Bible was compiled in the late 16th-early 17th century. It was written in the English of that time, Shakespearean English, Early Modern English. Not the English of today. Some words had VERY different meanings then. The nature of translation was different, too. It was translated from the Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew.

2. The Good News, International, etc Bibles are written in Modern English, and were compiled in the 20th century. Most of the passages don't seem as "eloquent" as the ones in the King James version. The philosophy of the translators was quite different than that of the people who compiled the King James Version. They weren't looking for literary beauty; they were looking more for faithful translation. Of course, it was translated fromthe Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew.

A certain phrase might have had a totally different meaning in 1605 than it does in 2016.

Dont see how any of that is relevent.

A lion is still gonna be a lion, and a wolf a wolf regardless of translation. The two species are not likely to be confused.

And besides Nurseangela is worried about the one version of the Bible that everyone used in her growing up: the King James. So what other versions may render doesnt matter anyway.

But even so the fact that everyone quotes the passage wrong doesnt mean that we are all trapped in a matrix or some such nonsense. It just means that the few people who actually read the Bible often capsulize it's long clunky passages, and the rest of us just hear and repeat those streamlined versions, which then take on a life of their own.

So " the wolf will...move in with the lamb (and shack up?), and then blah blah, and then something about a leopard, and sumpin' about a young lion, and blah" becomes "the lion will lie down beside the lamb"[ gets you to the point a lot faster than the original].

I agree this isn't relevant to Angela's particular situation--but the fact that various translations could convey significant differences is something which could lead to considerable misunderstanding.

I'm not 100% sure about new Zealand, I looked at maps as a child but not in great detail, I could have gotten the two mixed up.

Memories are easy to alter, especially if they are recalled a lot as popular movie quotes are. If someone else incorrectly quotes something then it may sometimes alter your memory of what you heard. While I was memorizing the pale blue dot speech by Carl Sagan I got a few things wrong at first that I would have bet anything were right. All that's happening here is your memory being unreliable.

Occam's razor states that when confronted with two explenations you should go with the one that requires the fewest assumptions. Either there is inter dimensional/demonic nonsense happening or this is just another example of the faultiness of human memory. This alleged effect seems to alter everything but human memory, how convenient.

Though I heard chartreuse was seen as a pink for a while, I remember the phrase form song Convoy.. "and eleven long haired 'friends of Jesus' in a chartreuse microbus (the weird compact VW van/busses that came ina horrid green and white). It had a lot of playtime when I was a kid

Holy cow, Angela, learning about this Mandela-Effect has now made me become excited for understanding some of my own anomalous-experiences that I suspected were like something like time-switches or over-lappings in time-routes, and why so many people on earth still behave like in midieval-days ! Actually, I have read somewhere that Time is actually an Illusion, and forces are at work, desperately trying to reset time, because they fear losing control over all of civilisation. Yes, a literal reset of civilisation, and even time itself, such to the point of something equivalent of re-starting this entire existence from the point of the theoretical Big Bang...

You are aware that it is physically impossible to revert the universe back to the big bang because that is in direct conflict with the second law of thermodynamics, right? Whatever these alleged forces are, I wouldn't worry about it.

Also, aren't you a flat Earth proponent? How can you believe in flat Earth and the big bang at the same time? I'm kind of curious.

The difficulty lies in proving that your experiences are valid when there is no valid empirical evidence to back them up, or any reasonably extrapolated physical principles to predict them.

If you believe that your imaginary experiences are real, then that alone is not enough to convince those of us who are more grounded in reality; because belief proves nothing.

I am going to point out what I believe is happening here.

Your memory is very unreliable, and it can be changed by suggestion very easily. From what I have gathered about the Mandela effect, the only thing that supposedly doesn't change is people's memories while the world changes. To that I say, how convenient.

It's not like human brains are separate from the rest of the universe, the laws of physics apply just as much there as they do with anything else so if some form of witchcraft or whatever were able to change history then it would change our memories too. If the Mandela effect can alter video files then it should be able to alter the neuron pathways that make up your memories. If dimensions really were doing something crazy then

As I mentioned earlier, Occam's razor applies here. It states that, when confronted with otherwise equally supported ideas, you should go with the one that requires the least assumptions. For example: if you find that your sandwich is missing then you should assume that someone you know ate it while throwing out ideas like an alien stole it, there was a government conspiracy to get that sandwich, it fell into hyperspace, or it quantum tunneled to the surface of the Moon. The Mandela effect can be explained by faulty human memory, so there is no need to jump to the conclusion that dimensional nonsense it happening or that spirits are messing with these things. History is not changing, it's just your memory of it which can be proven to be unreliable.

How do I answer this in a condensed manner... I guess I need to repeat that I believe everything can become possible or even manifest into existence even if not yet manifested (why I do not auto-dismiss so-called ghosts or things like psychic or para-normal phenomenon). I should also point out that I referred to the Big Bang with a very important preceding word... : Theoretical.

I should probably also repeat (from elsewhere) that I believe that multiple realities are simultaneously possible; what this basically means is that I would find it completely unsurprising for the Earth to be various multiple shapes... simultaneously. I do not adhere to any particular belief-system (I would be a complete hypocrite to my very own forum-signature if I decided that anything was the final answer; such that I have to entertain the idea that physics might still be some sort of evolving phenomenon for all we know), you might have to regard me as something of an anomalous Techno-Agnostic-Pantheist, such that I believe that all of existence can be explained in terms of Technological-Vocabulary, and that "scientific-laws" can always be over-written;

Also, for all we know, the very laws of physics/nature may change on us without our conscious-awareness, and I know for a fact that you are familiar with Lucid-Dreaming, but many people experience that shift in reality with no idea that they have left behind a physical sleeping body, even to the point of being able to feel/hear/see/smell various sensations, despite the fact that nothing is happening to their physical-body, and to me it is a hint of the various possibilities of how our very existence may change/shift when our physical-bodies expire, becoming like something of what has often been called an after-life in this particular realm/time-line, when it may really just be a continuation of another "save-point" from a reality that our "quantum" self may be trying to master (kind of like dying in a video-game but then re-starting from a different save-point [and let me add, I have experienced "dreams" that are simply "continuations" from the previous time I was asleep, and they certainly feel objective, such that I can still remember the words and experiences and settings and even physical-sensations from those "dream-world" experiences, even though nothing affected my physical sleeping body, a phenomenon for which I do not yet have vocabulary for, but the "continuations" are apparently consistent, and seem to revolve around a theme to where I am re-doing my life from a point in life of when I was in my early 20s, when either or both of my former step-fathers have not died yet]).

Perhaps that background might help you understand my interest in looking further into this Mandela-Effect;
Anyway, were it to be the case that I had to re-live with some of these people, I would find it quite frustrating;
I do not necessarily want to have to deal with the so-called family that I had in yet another time-frame;
this time-frame was already annoying and frustrating enough without having to do another "reincarnation" line...

I think materialists have the wrong idea about the paranormal, as though it's an excuse people have made, when they have given up on trying to find a rational cause. Maybe, it's a natural law.

Can paranormalism be used to effect change, in the same way as conventional sciences, and can you cause a Mandela effect to occur.

Come up with a way to test and measure the paranormal, then we'll talk. If it can't be measured, then by definition it doesn't effect me and I can safely ignore it.


Yeah, it's theoretical. Kind of like cell theory, programming language theory, music theory, color theory, quantum theory, the theory of relativity, and the theory of gravity. The scientific definition of "theory" is quite different from the casual one, in a scientific context it refers to a detailed description of an idea that has been tested and confirmed so much that the vast majority of the scientific community agrees with it, and no higher title can ever be given to an idea in a scientific context. Does this mean that it's right? Not necessarily, like you the scientific community will change what they accept if new evidence suggests that a current idea is wrong.


I think it's worth mentioning that I am technically a Christian (Mormon to be precise) although I have been questioning that lately and depending on how things go I may become agnostic.


I for one have just (mostly) accepted that I can never really know for sure what the heck is really going on in the universe and so I am going by the next best thing: what I can observe. You can't deny the usefulness of science; I mean, we are currently communicating with some undeniably awesome technology.


There is a string theorist named Brian Greene who has written 3 books about physics that I have read. Something tells me that you would enjoy them. He talks about a lot of deep physics theories as well as a lot of very plausible hypothetical stuff.

Can paranormalism be used to effect change in the same way as conventional sciences? No.

Can you cause a Mandela effect to occur? Yes. It's called "brainwashing" - If you tell a lie loud enough and often enough, people will eventually come to believe it, even if they've personally witnessed events to the contrary.