Did we really go to the moon ?

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So evidence for X is evidence against X?

The Apollo program ended after only a few missions. And then the taxpayer's reps in congress slashed NASA's budget by 95 percent at the end of the Apollo Program in 1974. And this forces NASA to stop sending men to the moon for fifty years, and forced NASA to switch to cheaper missions like unmanned probes and putting humans into low earth orbit in the space shuttle.

So obviously the Apollo program had been an expensive luxury. And that's why it stopped.

But you're saying that the fact that it was obviously an expensive luxury shows.. that it was NOT an expensive luxury?

Walk me through your "logic" please.

I said moon missions, not moon landings. They certainly launched Saturn 5 rockets at least. I'm saying that I don't see how 135 space shuttle launches are less expensive than one launch to the moon. And it is not just limited to the US. Nobody has ever launched a manned spacecraft to the moon in the last 50 years even though other countries have have been as technologically advanced as the US was 50 years ago for quite some time. One would think with the vast advancements in technology in the last half of a century would make it easier to get to the moon rather than it being more impossible.

Can you imagine there being something as commonplace as a smart phone back in 1972? We have devices children are carrying around that would completely blow the minds of scientists, technicians and engineers from the early 70's if you went back in time and showed them one.

Now I'm not some nutjob insisting the whole thing was a hoax. But I believe an effective argument can me made that it did not really happen just for the sake of playing devil's advocate if nothing else.

The Space Shuttle can be used again----therefore, it's less costly. Many Space Shuttles don't have to be manufactured.

A space station is a semi-permanent entity; one doesn't have to create too many space stations.

The Saturn Five rocket is something which can only be used ONCE-----and is much more expensive than a space shuttle. The Lunar Module and the Command Module can only be used ONCE, as well.

I still find it interesting that something that was supposedly done multiple times from '69 to 72' no way in hell could ever be done again. I wonder if that will still be the case another 50 years from now in 2069.

Will not be much longer that most everyone who was only 30 at the time will have died of old age. All the instruments that existed back then are antiques.

BTW why would they need to build a 50 year old style rocket and command module? Why couldn't something like a returnable shuttle have been built a long time ago?

All but one of the Saturn 5 rocket stages were used up before the command module even left orbit. The command module alone made it all the way to the moon and all the way back to earth (supposedly ). It is just that the whole thing (command and service module) could not handle a reentry into the atmosphere the way shuttles can.

So if a 50 year old command module can fly all the way to the moon and back, why could not a shuttle do so and then land at Edwards AFB the same as all other shuttles?

Last edited by EzraS on 22 Jul 2019, 1:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I would be able to explain this to you better if I knew more about aerospace engineering----or physics in the immediate vicinity of the Earth/Moon system. It was more a matter of the above than the sophistication of the computer technology.

If somebody who knows about aerospace engineering could chime in.....

It was more a matter of how to get enough speed on the rocket to escape the Earth's gravity----and to calculate, precisely, when to encounter the Moon on its orbit. And how to effect a soft landing on the Moon, and be able to lift off from the Moon.

We had enough technology, then, to send spacecraft out to distant planets. It was a matter of calculating the flight plan, and determining the nature of the atmosphere such planets as Mars and Jupiter, so that a spacecraft could be designed to withstand those atmospheres.

Russia, in fact, was able to send a rocket to the Moon in 1959 (though it crashed into the Moon).

Ezra.

You should research the Russian attempts to land people on the Moon.

Start with the Wikipedia article about it....and work from there.

I just watched an animation of how it works.





I do not see why a somewhat more powerful version of the shuttle rocket could not get a shuttle out into space and then the shuttle could fly to the moon and back. Or even why a shuttle could not be destined to land on the moon and take off again harrier jet style. All of that kind of tech and engineering has been around a long time now.



^ That would be a lot easier to do on the moon with its weaker gravity.

The way too massively expensive making it impossible excuse does not seem all that credible to me.

And maybe the Russians failed because a manned moon mission actually can not be done.

I wish you lived in Florida or Houston. Then you can go to Cape Canaveral, or the Johnson Space Center.

The Russians probably would have made it had they wanted to---after the US Moon landings, though, they didn't feel it was financially feasible to attempt a manned moon mission.

My grandfather was an aeronautical engineer at the time of the moon landing. Maybe Twizty can ask him?

Moon landing deniers are just trying to cover up the real American embarrassment — the fact that they did get there, but weren't the first.

It's not surprising that some people doubt we've been to the moon. The technology involved was so advanced that most people couldn't understand it, and still can't to this day — but they can't admit that, so they deny it was real. This is still the clearest explanation of the equipment, but as I say, most people would still rather deny the trip than admit they can't understand the science.



https://youtu.be/Ac7G7xOG2Ag

Taking nothing for granted is typical Asperger. Its clear that NASA loves it when people pay money and never ask difficult questions. Blind follow the leader are the most easyist victems, they dont think for themselves.

I dont believe that the moon exist, i am sure that the moon exist, i can see it with my own eyes. Last night i did even see falling stars, also with my own eyes. I believe that Joeri Gagarin was the first human in space, i am not sure, i wasnt even born when Gagarin shoud have been lifted upp. The picture below tells about a finger who is pointing. The most easy way to be fooled is when you look to the pointing finger, when you look to the finger you look to the finger, and not to the object that the pointing finger tells you.

Its very simple Kraftiekortie. Charles Darwin was born in the year "0", and right now i am living in the year 210 after Darwin. That religious people have another way off counting the years its clear, they have the freedom to do, i don't mind. I do it my way, i do it in a evolutional way. It keeps me more to reality.

Actually the Saudies got there even before the Ruskies.

And unlike both your Russians, and the Americans, the Saudies didn't just plant a little flag. They turned the whole moon into an advertising beacon for their religion! Every month the darn thing goes into that crescent shape- clearly visible from earth with the naked eye!

I, as an American, still cant live it down!

^ And not only that, they drained it of all its oil so now it's a worthless wasteland.

Heres a cool fact for people.
When they planned the moon landing NASA couldnt get life insurance for the astronauts. So they had the astronauts sign loads of stuff, so that if the worst happened their families could sell them to recompense them for their loss.

Also it was relatively recently that the russians themselves admitted that while the moon landing did happen, it would have been impossible for NASA to have faked the moon landing with the technology they had at the time.
So even the russians who lost the race concede it happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_land ... y_theories