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30 Dec 2022, 3:45 pm

Here is a link to an article about Lamashtu to give an idea of just how malicious and cruel the original inspiration for Lilith was.

https://www.ancientneareast.net/mesopot ... -lamashtu/

https://www.timelessmyths.com/mythology/lamashtu/



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30 Dec 2022, 3:55 pm

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Know what else I just don't get? Why is Trump never held accountable for anything? I guess in the US certain people really ARE above the law. :(

I'm losing faith in my government fast...


I'm the same with the UK government. The list of their crimes is very long and they never get held accountable :roll:


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30 Dec 2022, 3:56 pm

KitLily wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Know what else I just don't get? Why is Trump never held accountable for anything? I guess in the US certain people really ARE above the law. :(

I'm losing faith in my government fast...


I'm the same with the UK government. The list of their crimes is very long and they never get held accountable :roll:



And it's always the average people like us who have to suffer! :(



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30 Dec 2022, 3:57 pm

Frasier is one of my favourite sitcoms. Lilith was also in Cheers, which is where she met Frasier.

I didn't like Cheers but I love Frasier.

To make it relevant to this thread 'I don't get Cheers' :lol:


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30 Dec 2022, 3:57 pm

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
KitLily wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Know what else I just don't get? Why is Trump never held accountable for anything? I guess in the US certain people really ARE above the law. :(

I'm losing faith in my government fast...


I'm the same with the UK government. The list of their crimes is very long and they never get held accountable :roll:



And it's always the average people like us who have to suffer! :(


Yes indeed. It is not fair.


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30 Dec 2022, 4:18 pm

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Frasier is one of my favourite sitcoms. Lilith was also in Cheers, which is where she met Frasier.

I didn't like Cheers but I love Frasier.

To make it relevant to this thread 'I don't get Cheers' :lol:


I don't get 99% of sitcoms but I DO get The Golden Girls! It's my all time favorite TV show and I can watch it forever. :heart:

That show made being an old lady look cool! 8)



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30 Dec 2022, 5:37 pm

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I don't get why so many neopagans think Lilith is a feminist icon or why they have whitewashed her entire mythology to make her one.

If I'm going to honor pagan deities I at least want to acknowledge what they really are from a scholarly standpoint but so many pagans pretty much make up crap as they go and they ignore the truths that they can't accept (kinda like Christians yuk yuk yuk)


Whether people who "worship" Lilith get or know the details you've unearthed or not, there is an entire world of difference between acknowledging destructive and potentially evil powers and actually embodying or emulating them. IT'S OFTEN ABOUT THE METAPHOR. We all have those destructive, awful powers within us, and whereas men are celebrated or at least brushed aside for beastly power, women are shamed for even thinking about doing something violent. That's probably why you don't get it--you haven't lived it.

In many rituals I've been in, we've looked into the potential we hold within ourselves, both for good, bad, and everything in between (and remember even in decay and destruction there is life and beauty) and reflected on what we want to do with those powers, and how we want use power and travel our paths to live in harmony with our own values and goals. Of course, in more recent years, I've moved away from rituals in part because I was often surrounded by people who took the deities far more seriously than I ever could. It's not history or fact--it's fiction.



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30 Dec 2022, 6:13 pm

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I don't get why so many neopagans think Lilith is a feminist icon or why they have whitewashed her entire mythology to make her one.

If I'm going to honor pagan deities I at least want to acknowledge what they really are from a scholarly standpoint but so many pagans pretty much make up crap as they go and they ignore the truths that they can't accept (kinda like Christians yuk yuk yuk)


Whether people who "worship" Lilith get or know the details you've unearthed or not, there is an entire world of difference between acknowledging destructive and potentially evil powers and actually embodying or emulating them. IT'S OFTEN ABOUT THE METAPHOR. We all have those destructive, awful powers within us, and whereas men are celebrated or at least brushed aside for beastly power, women are shamed for even thinking about doing something violent. That's probably why you don't get it--you haven't lived it.

In many rituals I've been in, we've looked into the potential we hold within ourselves, both for good, bad, and everything in between (and remember even in decay and destruction there is life and beauty) and reflected on what we want to do with those powers, and how we want use power and travel our paths to live in harmony with our own values and goals. Of course, in more recent years, I've moved away from rituals in part because I was often surrounded by people who took the deities far more seriously than I ever could. It's not history or fact--it's fiction.


So my problem with this sort of thing (not just in regards to Lilith but this strange sort of worship of many horribly cruel women throughout history whether they be real life or myth) is why are we praising horrible women just to condemn horrible men we we should be condemning them BOTH?

That's not real equality, that's strongman worship. It's casting out one tyranical alpha for another.



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30 Dec 2022, 8:41 pm

Why whenever the brat upstairs starts howling the parents have to bang and thump about in the same room for the next hour.

Oh dear, his diaper needs changing, we'll just lay him on the changing mat and practice our tapdancing and somersaults around the room.

Oh dear, he is hungry, we'll just drag his high chair out and place him in it - in the bedroom - and start hammering nails into the wall whilst wearing our big boots.

Oh dear, he is sleepy, we'll place him in his crib and bang out some songs using drums to soothe him to sleep.

Oh dear, we never take him out for a walk or a ride in the stroller, he needs fresh air and vitamin D, we don't work so we have all the time in the world but nah, let's just open a window, leave him in his action walker, and go into the bedroom and sweep the floor using a stiff broom that will clang against every furniture and skirting-board in sight.

I'd rather be an inconsiderate as*hole for my downstairs neighbours than to look after our baby properly.


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30 Dec 2022, 10:41 pm

Why do I insist on making myself a slave to any religious movement when deep down I know none of it is really true?

That's something I don't get. :|

I think whoever it was here who tried to tell me that I don't have to be a neopagan to appreciate mythology and folklore was right...



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31 Dec 2022, 5:01 am

Bubblegum flavoured toothpaste for kids. It's a health hazard. I would have totally eaten it as a kid.


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31 Dec 2022, 5:06 am

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I don't get 99% of sitcoms but I DO get The Golden Girls! It's my all time favorite TV show and I can watch it forever. :heart:

That show made being an old lady look cool! 8)


I vaguely remember the Golden Girls, I must re-watch it now I'm getting old.


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01 Jan 2023, 12:00 pm

Why people treat their motor vehicles like pets or even members of the family, even giving them names and junk. A motor vehicle is nothing but a pollution spewing coffin on wheels that turns the drivers into blithering idiots - if they aren't idiots already.

I hate how dependent Canadians are on cars, but walking anywhere makes you a loser and is virtually illegal. But it won't change. People would rather die a horrible death than deal with any change. Mission accomplished.



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01 Jan 2023, 2:50 pm

Why psychiatrists can say you are not disabled just bc you have same autistic traits but everyone else in the world already treats you like you are weird and different. Why not just admit the truth everyone knows already?



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01 Jan 2023, 3:26 pm

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Why people treat their motor vehicles like pets or even members of the family, even giving them names and junk. A motor vehicle is nothing but a pollution spewing coffin on wheels that turns the drivers into blithering idiots - if they aren't idiots already.

I hate how dependent Canadians are on cars, but walking anywhere makes you a loser and is virtually illegal. But it won't change. People would rather die a horrible death than deal with any change. Mission accomplished.


I thought it was only autistics that can't deal with change?


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01 Jan 2023, 4:50 pm

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Why psychiatrists can say you are not disabled just bc you have same autistic traits but everyone else in the world already treats you like you are weird and different. Why not just admit the truth everyone knows already?


Yes, the sheer number of people who have said to my face 'you're so weird' 'you're a funny girl' 'you're strange' 'you're odd.' It is obvious to everyone but psychiatrists!


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