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23 Jun 2006, 2:53 pm

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Instead of writing such a bitter reply, why didn't you just say something about the Austrailian troops? I don't recall anyone saying only Americans can post about soldiers from their country. You also don't have to say God bless the troops. How about posting a message hoping that they get home safely? In other words, you should try replacing some of your anger with a little common sense.


While I tend to think Muchacha could have phrased herself a bit better (probably the fatigue of 29 posts in one day has taken its toll), I interpreted the post not to be about Australia but about the possibility that those who aren't from coalition-of-the-willing countries may feel alienated.


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23 Jun 2006, 3:57 pm

Oh OKAY. That explains it. I was wondering why you would identify with a Jewish peace activist as your avator. I'm so glad that is not a picture of Jason Alexander.

This James Gandofilin looks similar to Jason Alexander though but that's where the similarity stops. Gandofilin is the star of The Sopranos and he's used his celebrity status to call for the draft to be instituted in the US. The Sopranos is a violent soap about Mafiosos that has been widely criticisized for its glorification of violence, racism toward African Americans, stereotyping of Italian Americans, denigration of family values, and most especially its violence and sexual degradation of women.

How does a picture of Gandofilin fit with your Christian values?

I'm confused.



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23 Jun 2006, 4:08 pm

I deleted this post. It was my second attempt to post during the bug thing.



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24 Jun 2006, 1:53 am

neptunevsmars wrote:
Sorce wrote:

Instead of writing such a bitter reply, why didn't you just say something about the Austrailian troops? I don't recall anyone saying only Americans can post about soldiers from their country. You also don't have to say God bless the troops. How about posting a message hoping that they get home safely? In other words, you should try replacing some of your anger with a little common sense.


While I tend to think Muchacha could have phrased herself a bit better (probably the fatigue of 29 posts in one day has taken its toll), I interpreted the post not to be about Australia but about the possibility that those who aren't from coalition-of-the-willing countries may feel alienated.


Well yes, thank you, that's as close as anyone has come to the point. Although I can assure you that I was anything but fatigued, thank you very much. Just very fired up and not about to apologise.



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24 Jun 2006, 2:12 am

Well that was a joke OK?

I just think everybody is going overboard here.

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How does a picture of Gandofilin fit with your Christian values?

I'm confused.



Very personal and not cool.


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24 Jun 2006, 3:54 am

anandamide wrote:
Gandofilin is the star of The Sopranos and he's used his celebrity status to call for the draft to be instituted in the US. The Sopranos is a violent soap about Mafiosos that has been widely criticisized for its glorification of violence, racism toward African Americans, stereotyping of Italian Americans, denigration of family values, and most especially its violence and sexual degradation of women.

How does a picture of Gandofilin fit with your Christian values?

I'm confused.


Gandofilin / The Sopranos fits perfectly well with his Christian values. i.e. the Christian bible is loaded full of violence, it glorifies violence, it contains racism, it denigrates families, and it contains hundreds of statements that denigrate women. The Sopranos seems to be inspired by the Christian bible. Therefore Gandofilin is a perfect match with his Christian values.



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26 Jun 2006, 8:13 am

emp wrote:
anandamide wrote:
Gandofilin is the star of The Sopranos and he's used his celebrity status to call for the draft to be instituted in the US. The Sopranos is a violent soap about Mafiosos that has been widely criticisized for its glorification of violence, racism toward African Americans, stereotyping of Italian Americans, denigration of family values, and most especially its violence and sexual degradation of women.

How does a picture of Gandofilin fit with your Christian values?

I'm confused.


Gandofilin / The Sopranos fits perfectly well with his Christian values. i.e. the Christian bible is loaded full of violence, it glorifies violence, it contains racism, it denigrates families, and it contains hundreds of statements that denigrate women. The Sopranos seems to be inspired by the Christian bible. Therefore Gandofilin is a perfect match with his Christian values.


Or maybe this person is able to realize that The Sopranos is just a television show.



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26 Jun 2006, 9:18 am

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For the record, this is not what I believe Jaguars_Fan intended to do. I think his heart was in the right place in starting the thread and while his response also missed the point, I was impressed by his calm and consideration. Granted, Sorce, it's not my strong suit, but double-check the last sentence of your post and try telling me that it wasn't the height of hypocrisy. It was just as angry a response, if not more - not to mention just a tad personal and patronising.


No, my response wasn't the height of hypocrisy. That's pretty easy for me to say because I wasn't angry at the time of the post, I was just being honest. Unlike some of the other posters in this board I try not to sugarcoat the truth. To me, it can sometimes get pretty close to outright lying, and it doesn't help. Proven by your response to my post. Instead of the insulting nonsense you posted the first time, you actually put some thought into your second one.

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My reply had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Australian troops were involved in the conflict, and I was not upset that they were not getting due credit. In fact it had nothing to do with how I feel about the war at all. It just came down to the use of the word "our" as if to exclude and alienate anyone who, whether personally or by sheer dent of their nationality, is not in favour of the US and its objectives. And no, I am not a habitual yank-basher; I do believe that the majority of them are decent people. But how is a Canadian, New Zealander, Argentinean, German, Indian, Irelander, South African, Swede, Chilean, or someone from the other 131 countries that did not support this conflict, supposed to feel when they turn to WP for support and guidance, only to find this kind of ideology creeping in? Ah now, you see, it's not about me, nor about Australia!


Lack of personal insults will get you everywhere. The OP sounds like a reasonable person, and I doubt he or she would throw a hissy fit if people wished good to luck to soldiers from their own country, and not exclusive to soldiers in Iraq. I think you are reading way too much into this. There are plenty of anti-war or anti-Bush threads on this board, and I'm not too bothered by them. It's also interesting to see what posters from other countries view points are. Which brings me to my next question. How come you have such a problem with a thread that can be viewed as pro-Iraq war, but have expressed no concerns for other threads that are blatantly against the Iraq war?



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28 Jun 2006, 6:59 am

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I wasn't angry at the time of the post, I was just being honest. Unlike some of the other posters in this board I try not to sugarcoat the truth. To me, it can sometimes get pretty close to outright lying, and it doesn't help. Proven by your response to my post. Instead of the insulting nonsense you posted the first time, you actually put some thought into your second one.


I really wish there were a nicer way to say this, but this thinking is subjective to the point of conceit. Absolutely anyone who has done their nut on this thread could redefine their anger as "honesty". Did you know, or would you care, how I would describe my feelings and intent at the time of my post?

If you really are not into "sugarcoating the truth", then consider that a) whoever "some of the other posters in this board" are, you have no right to question the honesty of what they say or how they say it, and b) what you are trying not to sugarcoat is, in this instance, your opinion. Of course you're entitled to it, but that doesn't make it "the truth".

Oh, and c) "actually putting some thought" into my second post (read: saying something you agreed with) was a result of having to explain what I thought was a fairly simple point, so be careful about taking credit for that.


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Lack of personal insults will get you everywhere. The OP sounds like a reasonable person, and I doubt he or she would throw a hissy fit if people wished good to luck to soldiers from their own country, and not exclusive to soldiers in Iraq. I think you are reading way too much into this. There are plenty of anti-war or anti-Bush threads on this board, and I'm not too bothered by them. It's also interesting to see what posters from other countries view points are. Which brings me to my next question. How come you have such a problem with a thread that can be viewed as pro-Iraq war, but have expressed no concerns for other threads that are blatantly against the Iraq war?


I have absolutely no problem with the idea of a pro-Iraq thread per se, and I really didn't log on to this thread with the intent of attacking it. As for anti-war or anti-Bush threads, well to be honest I haven't seen one. They're probably in the politics and/or world events forums where they belong. That isn't meant to be an attack on the OP but I guess it is a constructive criticism. If I saw anti-war thread that was in the wrong place and was headed "May God Condemn The War And Everyone Involved In It" then I can only imagine that I'd be pretty upset by it too.

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Or maybe this person is able to realize that The Sopranos is just a television show.


On a different note: Amen to that.



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03 Jul 2006, 9:06 am

For Independance day and the British ones and I am praying for a woman whose baby is being taken away because of Aspergers this week



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03 Jul 2006, 9:23 am

It is just like hoping for the welfare of all, as much as possible. i have a friend called Maysuon who is a good wife in Baghdad if she is still alive. I marched for peace. But I understand all are working for a satisfactory and just solution to the conflict before all come home. My friend has a cousin in the army but i don't know if he's there this time. Whatever you believe it is good to send goodwill to people. And I bet they think the inventor of the mobile phone is the best thing since sliced bread! I mean you can get messages along the bottom of Tv on it and see your loved ones too and hear their voices even from I raq.Whatever happens tomorrow, love is sent.