Any mixed-race people here on wrongplanet? :)
I don't like the term 'half-cast either. Another word that I have a bit of a problem with is mulatto.
In The Netherlands, where I am from, they call a mixed race person like me a "halfbloed". The literal translation of that term in English is "a halfblood." Like mixed race people only have half the amount of blood compared to others or something.
Totally bizarre!
I am from the Netherlands too! Wow there are so many Dutch people here, haha.
Yeah I hate that word mulatto too.
In the UK, to multiracials, the world has a very negative connotation.
Here is some information about it, here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... xed6.shtml
I think a Chinese person can have blonde hair and blue eyes. A Chinese person can be Caucasian yes. But when I ask 'who is mixed race on here', and someone says 'my mom is chinese', then I am assuming the mom is Asian, and his the matching physical features. And I bet in 90 percent of the cases this is correct.
I'm trying to remain factual, not to bring political correctness into it, that's a whole other story.
I don't know what you mean by:
Why would the world have a negative connotation, anyone at all could say that, I don't see the connection?
The use of the term ´politically correct´ has become meaningless. So either just explain what you mean, or don´t use it at all. I don´t see what political correctness has to do with this.
Well it obviously does, it even says there in the article. Black and white people find it offensive. So do I. You say everyone could say it, yet black and white people never use the word to describe themselves and even find it offensive (click on link'). Same as with half-breed. Stems from colonialism.
I think we're talking at crossed purposes here, it appears that you made a typo?
As to political correctness, I'm sure you realise that this means not saying things considered offensive (among other things). I think that much is pretty obvious.
Anyway, you clearly have a lot of emotion invested in this, which I don't as I'm dealing with facts (whereas you appear to be dealing with perceptions and feelings), so it's unlikely we will have a meeting of minds, and I cannot contribute further to this thread than what I have said.
Well, it's a fact that many biracials consider the word 'half caste' offensive. There you go.
pokerface and Cafeaulait, I'm Dutch as well (and my mother's an Indo as you perhaps can tell from my post on the 1st page of this thread)... and I must say, I sometimes (jokingly) use the words halfbloed, mengbloed, mulat, mesties to describe myself, and when I'm in a real crazy mood, I'll even call myself vuilnisbakkenras! But what I usually say is, 'ik ben gemengd' ('I am mixed'), because it's just easier than summing up all my ethnicities. But I dunno, I was always told that words are merely words, and for me they don't really carry that much gravity.
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People are strange, even aspies.
Yes, it seems so.
I repeat, the definition of mixed-race: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio ... mixed-race
Definition of mixed-race
adjective
denoting or relating to people whose parents or ancestors are from different ethnic backgrounds:
Is there a person alive, who can say with 100% categorical certainty that they do not have mixed blood in their veins? Do you know who each and every one of your ancestors were and where they originated and who they procreated with? Of course not. We are all mixed-race.
When you start going down the road of dividing people by categories of colour, eye type and other ethnically obvious features, you are saying that race equates to features only. That is not the case.
So, it seems there are people who refuse to consider fellow human beings as having the "right" to belong in a category definition by their own erroneous rationale.
Even if we all decided that this could be the definition, if you judge people by their physical features then there will be a lot of people who e.g. turned out looking white because of some white heritage but also have a lot of black heritage in their background, they just don't know it for a possible variety of reasons (adoption being one). So how do you ever therefore make it a group containing only those with the "right" to call themselves mixed-race based on their awareness of it?
e.g. Cafeaulait, your username indicates that you have physically obvious characteristics of being mixed-race and using that name indicates your pride in this which denotes your attitude to only allowing others into your perception of mixed race based on similar criteria, so if someone else doesn't have physically obvious characteristics you don't consider they are mixed race or if you met someone who had no idea they were mixed race and therefore could not announce themselves as so, you would automatically exclude them from consideration as being mixed race. Very flawed logic.
I do not place the degree of emotional attachment on words that you do, I cannot understand why a word with factual meaning could cause anyone so much offence. This wasn't a thread about political correctness as I said before anyway. I have just provided relevant information without giving my views on how people consider the use of those words, or whether that is right or wrong. It may be a fact that people are upset by it, but feelings are based on a variety of things which are not necessarily fact so it's not the same thing.
@CyclopsSummers, it's refreshing to hear someone able to not take words so seriously.
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There's no such thing as "race" in the human population.
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Extinguishing this misconception as quickly as possible is best for the human "race" at large.
Though my mother is brazilian with portuguese descent, and my father is norwegian, so I guess I come from a more genetically varied background than most.
People are strange, even aspies.
Yes, it seems so.
I repeat, the definition of mixed-race: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio ... mixed-race
Definition of mixed-race
adjective
denoting or relating to people whose parents or ancestors are from different ethnic backgrounds:
Is there a person alive, who can say with 100% categorical certainty that they do not have mixed blood in their veins? Do you know who each and every one of your ancestors were and where they originated and who they procreated with? Of course not. We are all mixed-race.
When you start going down the road of dividing people by categories of colour, eye type and other ethically obvious features, you are saying that race equates to features only. That is not the case.
So, it seems there are people who refuse to consider fellow human beings as having the "right" to belong in a category definition by their own erroneous rationale.
Even if we all decided that this could be the definition, if you judge people by their physical features then there will be a lot of people who e.g. turned out looking white because of some white heritage but also have a lot of black heritage in their background, they just don't know it for a possible variety of reasons (adoption being one). So how do you ever therefore make it a group containing only those with the "right" to call themselves mixed-race based on their awareness of it?
e.g. Cafeaulait, your username indicates that you have physically obvious characteristics of being mixed-race and using that name indicates your pride in this which denotes your attitude to only allowing others into your perception of mixed race based on similar criteria, so if someone else doesn't have physically obvious characteristics you don't consider they are mixed race or if you met someone who had no idea they were mixed race and therefore could not announce themselves as so, you would automatically exclude them from consideration as being mixed race. Very flawed logic.
I do not place the degree of emotional attachment on words that you do, I cannot understand why a word with factual meaning could cause anyone so much offence. This wasn't a thread about political correctness as I said before anyway. I have just provided relevant information without giving my views on how people consider the use of those words, or whether that is right or wrong. It may be a fact that people are upset by it, but feelings are based on a variety of things which are not necessarily fact so it's not the same thing.
@CyclopsSummers, it's refreshing to hear someone able to not take words so seriously.
Like I said: It's nice in theory, but not in real life. Very few people that are half white english/half white german would identify as mixed race. The parents are from the same continent, and they are both clearly white. I also don't agree with your claim 'everyone is mixed' race.
I don't take pride in my heritage at all, since it's something I was born with. I don't take pride in things I can't control. My username also has nothing to do with my race or how I look. I just like coffee and milk in the morning. It first I wanted to call myself 'strawberrycheesecake' or 'lemoncurd'. I just like food. And I know a boy who's mom is caribbean, black (although she probably has some white blood). The boy looks fully white. I would consider him mixed race, yes. So it does not only have to do with the physical characteristics of the person him/herself. So if a white looking person told me he/she was mixed race, I would consider that person mixed race.
Well, those feelings are facts. Perhaps it's aspie-typical to try and rationalize these things, but people have these feelings. It's the way it is. And if people are upset by it, I will not use it to open a topic with that in the title. And I dont understand why you are still using the term 'political correctness'. You can attach that to every thing you say. It's such a useless term.
Yes, I do think this is the case. And when I am referring to mixed race people I am referring to those whos parents (or one of the grandparents, greatgrandparents) have a contrast in features.
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Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28hu ... ication%29
Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation.
While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used[4] in a naive[5] or simplistic way, i.e. that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[6][7]
Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[9] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.
Since the second half of the 20th century the associations of race with the ideologies and theories that grew out of the work of 19th-century anthropologists and physiologists has led to the use of the word race itself becoming problematic. Although still used in general contexts, it is now often replaced by other words which are less ambiguous and emotionally charged, such as populations, people(s), ethnic groups or communities depending on context
Hope that clarifies, and wraps things up.
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What I would like to know is if the biracial people on this forum have ever found it difficult and complicated to be mixed race.
Don't get side tracked by my avatar. In real life I do have a mixed race background and there where periods in my life that I had some problems with that. Sometimes the feeling that I didn't belong anywhere involuntarily crept up on me. What also contributed to this is the lack of acceptance from the white- as well as the black side.
Something that also disturbes me is the fact that white people seem to think that everyone with a mixed race heritage looks gorgeous. I have never been stunningly beautiful and I don 't look like Halle Berry or Alicia Keys, if only. I wonder why white and black folks seem to think that mixed race people are better looking than black people who don't have a mixed race background. We are probably so brainwashed that we all think (black and white people alike) that caucasian features and hair are superior in terms of good looks and in many other ways. Absolutely ridiculous ofcourse.
What worries me even more is the fact that a lot of white people still think that black people are not as intelligent and civilized as white people. I know that the majority of politcally correct white people will deny that fervently but I would like to challenge them to be really honest with themselves before they answer my question. If I even get an answer that is. Probably not.
This is about all I have to say about racial matters because in the end I sincerely think that race is completely trivial and unimportant.
Don't get side tracked by my avatar. In real life I do have a mixed race background and there where periods in my life that I had some problems with that. Sometimes the feeling that I didn't belong anywhere involuntarily crept up on me. What also contributed to this is the lack of acceptance from the white- as well as the black side.
Something that also disturbes me is the fact that white people seem to think that everyone with a mixed race heritage looks gorgeous. I have never been stunningly beautiful and I don 't look like Halle Berry or Alicia Keys, if only. I wonder why white and black folks seem to think that mixed race people are better looking than black people who don't have a mixed race background. We are probably so brainwashed that we all think (black and white people alike) that caucasian features and hair are superior in terms of good looks and in many other ways. Absolutely ridiculous ofcourse.
What worries me even more is the fact that a lot of white people still think that black people are not as intelligent and civilized as white people. I know that the majority of politcally correct white people will deny that fervently but I would like to challenge them to be really honest with themselves before they answer my question. If I even get an answer that is. Probably not.
This is about all I have to say about racial matters because in the end I sincerely think that race is completely trivial and unimportant.
The caucasian beauty standard, I have no problem with that at all. Perhaps it is because I am a girl and my mother is the blasian one. She always instilled me with a sense of self esteem when it comes to my race. It's okay to have a bit of booty, long curly hair is beautiful, full lips are gorgeous, etc. My dad as well, always told me I was gorgeous, intelligent, etc.
I don't really feel black, asian nor white. But it doesn't really keep me busy. This is who I am. I have never felt forced to pick sides. And my racial background and make-up is just a small part of me. Perhaps it's a bit different in Europe, I don't know...
My friends have been white, black, asian, mixed, everything. I've never really faced very much explicit rasim (my mom and dad have in the beginning, especially from black men)
And the last thing is absolutely true, unfortunately.
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