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10 Jun 2020, 8:44 am

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Karen = Boomer.

What’s the deal with Chad and Stacy?

I'm assuming you're asking for the definition of the slang terms (Chad, Stacy) - if not I apologize - but those are typically used in incel/blackpill/MGTOW circles to indicate the archetype of what they (those who use the terms) assume everyone in the world wants - i.e. Chads are huge 'Adonis'-like men with sculpted features and who have the social charisma to attract women (I disagree with the conclusion that all women must be drawn to Chads as I'm living proof that they aren't; but I digress). I think Chads are also supposed to be bullies to a degree? Like the football star stereotype? Essentially Chad and Stacy is the modern equivalent of the quarterback and head cheerleader/prom king and queen stereotype that was around when I was younger. Stacy, I take it, indicates women who are 10/10 in conventional attractiveness but who may have shallower personalities. (**disclaimer: I do not at all adhere to these beliefs, I just happen to know about the terms and what they are supposed to mean**)

It pains me to know so much about incel culture but my friend and I did sort of a fascinated deep-dive when it became prominent on the internet. Once again, hope you were genuinely asking and sorry if I answered the question unnecessarily :oops:



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10 Jun 2020, 9:01 am

greenmm37 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Karen = Boomer.

What’s the deal with Chad and Stacy?

I'm assuming you're asking for the definition of the slang terms (Chad, Stacy) - if not I apologize - but those are typically used in incel/blackpill/MGTOW circles to indicate the archetype of what they (those who use the terms) assume everyone in the world wants - i.e. Chads are huge 'Adonis'-like men with sculpted features and who have the social charisma to attract women (I disagree with the conclusion that all women must be drawn to Chads as I'm living proof that they aren't; but I digress). I think Chads are also supposed to be bullies to a degree? Like the football star stereotype? Essentially Chad and Stacy is the modern equivalent of the quarterback and head cheerleader/prom king and queen stereotype that was around when I was younger. Stacy, I take it, indicates women who are 10/10 in conventional attractiveness but who may have shallower personalities. (**disclaimer: I do not at all adhere to these beliefs, I just happen to know about the terms and what they are supposed to mean**)

It pains me to know so much about incel culture but my friend and I did sort of a fascinated deep-dive when it became prominent on the internet. Once again, hope you were genuinely asking and sorry if I answered the question unnecessarily :oops:


I don’t think Stacy is as common a name anymore. Chad is, though.


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10 Jun 2020, 10:52 am

For those of us old enough to have experienced the devolution of customer service in general from what the standards were 30, 40 years ago or more, the difference is dramatic. And it has been a devolution. I don't think it could be argued otherwise.

Customer service in general is a joke compared to what it was in the past. When I had my first job in a grocery store at the age of 16 in the 1980s it was absolutely a requirement that employees thanked customers. It was also understood that it was unacceptable for employees to carry on conversations with each other in front of the customer as if the customer didn't even exist. At present time, the grocery stores I frequent will often have a younger employee literally not even acknowledge you as a customer in any way, ring up your groceries and that often hand you your receipt without saying a single word. Often they'll be in conversation with a fellow employee.

The "Karen" label (oh, we love our labels!) is looking at it purely from the perspective of the Karen being a complainer. I think it has to be acknowledged that customer service in general is sub par compared to the way it used to be.

The message to the "Karens" of the world and also the message to the world in general by a good number of workers of the customer service world is: "You get what you get and don't throw a fit. This is the level of customer service I'm willing to give you and you should deal with it as is, period. It doesn't get any better than this from me and don't call my manager to tell on me, Karen."



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14 Jun 2020, 1:39 pm

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For those of us old enough to have experienced the devolution of customer service in general from what the standards were 30, 40 years ago or more, the difference is dramatic. And it has been a devolution. I don't think it could be argued otherwise.

Customer service in general is a joke compared to what it was in the past. When I had my first job in a grocery store at the age of 16 in the 1980s it was absolutely a requirement that employees thanked customers. It was also understood that it was unacceptable for employees to carry on conversations with each other in front of the customer as if the customer didn't even exist. At present time, the grocery stores I frequent will often have a younger employee literally not even acknowledge you as a customer in any way, ring up your groceries and that often hand you your receipt without saying a single word. Often they'll be in conversation with a fellow employee.

The "Karen" label (oh, we love our labels!) is looking at it purely from the perspective of the Karen being a complainer. I think it has to be acknowledged that customer service in general is sub par compared to the way it used to be.

The message to the "Karens" of the world and also the message to the world in general by a good number of workers of the customer service world is: "You get what you get and don't throw a fit. This is the level of customer service I'm willing to give you and you should deal with it as is, period. It doesn't get any better than this from me and don't call my manager to tell on me, Karen."
I think your rite about customer service going downhill & it's cuz the corporations do not encourage good customer service. Sure the companies claim to care but the companies are much more focused on getting as much work from their employees as possible while paying as little as possible. It's very hard for an employee to maintain a pleasant attitude & concern & attentiveness to the customers when the employee is expected to do more work than what is physically possible for them & only getting paid minimum wage with no benefits. Two of the 3 jobs I had invulved me interacting with customers. I did custodial type stuff at two different stores & I worked while the stores were open. My 1st job was a dishwasher & I didn't deal with customers but I've seen the servers & managers dealing with em.


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14 Jun 2020, 7:19 pm

Karen started out as someone for who is a soccer mom and then that term evolved. Now it means racist, entitled, whiny, stupid, oblivious, and it's being used as a insult now IMO.

For anyone that has worked in customer service or worked as a manager had dealt with plenty of these Karens. Even teachers deal with them too and the school principal.


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15 Jun 2020, 2:23 am

I don’t understand, I read about Karen before on Facebook.



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15 Jun 2020, 12:40 pm

Guys, she's gonna ask to see your managers.


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15 Jun 2020, 5:59 pm

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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/karen

It's not that everyone named "Karen" is a Karen, but the name has become a shorthand for the sort of character described.
The charactor description is corrupt and unfair,so an middle class white woman stands up for herself and somehow deserves to be called a slur.

Dude you are so missing the point. Did you read the part about Karen being "entitled"? Like the kind of person who complains about minor problems with customer service, and may possibly get someone fired by speaking with the manager.

It's selfish and insensitive to endanger people's jobs, especially low-wage jobs, because the waiter forgot the ketchup or something. But Karen probably isn't thinking about this because she's, among other things, middle-class and therefore out of touch with the potential financial insecurity and job fatigue of the workers she's complaining about.

Both white privilege and class privilege tend to make people feel entitled. That's why Karen is described as a white, middle-class women. Lots of people who are not privileged in those ways would not expect the manager to care about their complaints or would not themselves care to complain about minor customer service issues.

I'm not saying the meme is totally fair or accurate, it's partially based on stereotypes (not all class-privileged people are as*holes), but the type of person being described as Karen is not just a completely innocent person who is being unfairly bashed.

I personally spent years in the restaurant business and I if anyone know how hard it can be.But I think that a complaint is reasonable if one gets bad service,and no one ever gets fired for forgetting the ketchup, managers aren't that stupid.

There isn't a waiter/waitress or delivery driver that never forgot something,the number one reason people get fired in the restaurant business is no call/no show,they blow off work in other words.So called Karen's never get anyone fired,when a lot of customer service mistakes happen it's usually very busy and mangers understand that.

It's paranoia to think slightly over sensitive female customer are responsible for mass firings, I worked in the restaurant biz for years and it simply doesn't happen.


Oh, the horror stories I could tell you about delivering pizza for the Big Three (Domino’s, Pizza Hut and Papa John’s). I’ve heard the line “I personally know Tom Monaghan/The Carney Brothers/John Schnatter, and I’ll have your fat f!cking ass on a platter and get you fired” so many times I actually called their bluff and gladly would dial corporate headquarters (Whether it was Ann Arbor, MI, Topeka, KS or Louisville, KY) for them and hand the phone to them. They usually back down when I did that. I’d get back to the shop, tell the manager, and a notation was made in the computer to never deliver to that address.

The ones that would really p!ss me off is when, after I made the delivery and collected the funds was “Get a REAL f!cking job, you fat-assed mother-f!cking sonofab!tch!”

EXCUSE ME????! !! !! ! This country’s is in a recession, and you’re telling me to get a REAL job? How about being the Tin Man and get a heart, as well as the Scarecrow and get a brain?

I’m glad I’m on disability, in a way, since I no longer have to put up with that bullsh!t!



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17 Jun 2020, 9:57 am

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I don't like when it's used against people for being particular or for being annoyed when they don't get what they want. Autistic people are particular and the things we have meltdowns over could be considered 'fussy' by NTs who don't get it.
Very true. I've been called things by my mom a lot like Picky, Entitled, Demanding, & Selfish cuz of my various issues & needs. I know I can be very picky & fussy about things but I try to be polite about it to customer service & workers. For example if a fast-food place doesn't get my burger right, I do bring it back but I use manners & thank them for correcting it & I try to sound pleasant. However if they give me an attitude & don't wanna correct it, that's when I have a problem & get ticked off & argumentative. Basically I understand people make mistakes & cant always be accommodating & I try to be tolerant & don't have a problem unless I feel like I'm getting screwed over.



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Karen started out as someone for who is a soccer mom and then that term evolved. Now it means racist, entitled, whiny, stupid, oblivious, and it's being used as a insult now IMO.

For anyone that has worked in customer service or worked as a manager had dealt with plenty of these Karens. Even teachers deal with them too and the school principal.
That's very true. Thankfully I've only really dealt with one Karen during the 28 months I worked retail. I did custodial type stuff thou so it wasn't like I was a stocker or cashier. There were lots of times I couldn't really help someone but I got stockers or managers to.
My mom is a retired elementary school teacher. She mostly taught pre-K but she taught 8th grade for half a year & did a year of Kindergarten or 1st grade(I forget which). She has lots of bad stories about Karen types.


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17 Jun 2020, 5:34 pm

When I worked food service I had a Karen claim I’d stole her mother’s dentures off the plate.
They made a big deal telling my boss they knew the teeth were purloined.Said they were coming back for them.They never did, undoubtable Karen found her mom’s teeth rolled up in a napkin in her purse. :roll:
My boss thought they were nuts.


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When I worked food service I had a Karen claim I’d stole her mother’s dentures off the plate.
They made a big deal telling my boss they knew the teeth were purloined.Said they were coming back for them.They never did, undoubtable Karen found her mom’s teeth rolled up in a napkin in her purse. :roll:
My boss thought they were nuts.

What even is the logic behind this, why would you ever consider stealing someone's dentures? Maybe she thought you were gonna sell them on the denture black market? lmao



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HeroOfHyrule wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
When I worked food service I had a Karen claim I’d stole her mother’s dentures off the plate.
They made a big deal telling my boss they knew the teeth were purloined.Said they were coming back for them.They never did, undoubtable Karen found her mom’s teeth rolled up in a napkin in her purse. :roll:
My boss thought they were nuts.

What even is the logic behind this, why would you ever consider stealing someone's dentures? Maybe she thought you were gonna sell them on the denture black market? lmao

Karen’s are weak in the logic department.I also have fine teeth and wouldn’t need them for myself.All we could figure is she had a gold tooth in those dentures.I hope she sat on them and they bit her on the ass.


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17 Jul 2020, 9:22 pm

Magna wrote:
For those of us old enough to have experienced the devolution of customer service in general from what the standards were 30, 40 years ago or more, the difference is dramatic. And it has been a devolution. I don't think it could be argued otherwise.

Customer service in general is a joke compared to what it was in the past. When I had my first job in a grocery store at the age of 16 in the 1980s it was absolutely a requirement that employees thanked customers. It was also understood that it was unacceptable for employees to carry on conversations with each other in front of the customer as if the customer didn't even exist. At present time, the grocery stores I frequent will often have a younger employee literally not even acknowledge you as a customer in any way, ring up your groceries and that often hand you your receipt without saying a single word. Often they'll be in conversation with a fellow employee.

The "Karen" label (oh, we love our labels!) is looking at it purely from the perspective of the Karen being a complainer. I think it has to be acknowledged that customer service in general is sub par compared to the way it used to be.

The message to the "Karens" of the world and also the message to the world in general by a good number of workers of the customer service world is: "You get what you get and don't throw a fit. This is the level of customer service I'm willing to give you and you should deal with it as is, period. It doesn't get any better than this from me and don't call my manager to tell on me, Karen."



I believe this is spot on.
I would add one more element to the devolution of customer service and that is that the wage the current employee earns has degraded in equal measure to the level of service. The wage now doesn't go nearly as far as the wage earned back when customer service was a reality. So, much as I miss customer service, I can certainly understand why it cannot come back until a job feels like a real benefit and the company actually treats its employees with respect.



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17 Jul 2020, 9:26 pm

I posted earlier in this thread that I felt "Karen" was racist.
Seems I'm not the only one that thought it referred to a specific race.
I'm not saying the "Karen" in question didn't deserve to be called out, but this just shows we would be replacing one form of racism with another.
“Hey, Karen. Watch your mouth,” tweeted Lightfoot, using the common nickname to describe entitled white women.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnbfcL



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18 Jul 2020, 12:17 am

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The term "A Karen" is getting popular with social justice warriors and I don't really like it.

1.It gives a stereotype to mainly white woman and I don't feel that's healthy,the world has enough stereotypes already.

2.Whats wrong with asking to speak to the manager if the service is really bad,you go to a restaurant and you get crappy service that you paid good money for,is it some crime to speak your mind.Yes some people complain to much,I get that but there all not always upper middle class white women.

Men sometimes complain to much,black people sometimes complain to much,all people sometimes complain to much,it'something all people do not just upper class white women.

Karen; is a racist,sexist classist slur,pure and simple and people who use the term should be called out on it. 8O



Anything can be used as an insult. Yes, some people do use Karen to put women down and to gaslight people and to insult them.

But then there are entitled people out there who think rules don't apply to them and don't like being called out on their bigotry or on their rude behavior.


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I posted earlier in this thread that I felt "Karen" was racist.
Seems I'm not the only one that thought it referred to a specific race.
I'm not saying the "Karen" in question didn't deserve to be called out, but this just shows we would be replacing one form of racism with another.
“Hey, Karen. Watch your mouth,” tweeted Lightfoot, using the common nickname to describe entitled white women.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnbfcL


Calling out racism isn't the new racism no matter how badly you attempt to pretend otherwise.


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