Selecting a new language for study

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RightGalaxy
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12 Dec 2011, 11:30 am

My son who is in the 7th grade has to select a language to study next year. The choices are German, French, or Spanish. He couldn't make up his mind as to whether he wanted German or French. He finds English grammar challenging and the sound of Spanish annoying.
German either comes from English or vice-versa - I don't know. I think he'd be better off taking French. Does anyone care to comment on the difficulties of learning a language. His native language is English but he finds the grammar really hard.



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12 Dec 2011, 11:35 am

i found german easier than french, it's closer to the english language i think



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12 Dec 2011, 11:40 am

I've studied both French and German, I preferred French.



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12 Dec 2011, 11:41 am

I want to learn Italian and Polish


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12 Dec 2011, 1:53 pm

I don't know what continent you are on, but for North America, considering current population trends, Spanish would be the most useful for a competitive edge in the employment world.


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12 Dec 2011, 1:57 pm

OneStepBeyond wrote:
i found german easier than french, it's closer to the english language i think

This. In 9th grade i had to chose between spanish, latin, french, or german. I already know spanish, I didnt feel like learning a dead language, french is hard as s**t, and german ist easy.

But like the guy above me, if he wants to look into his future as much as he will dislike spanish (also easy language) he should consider it as it may help him depending on his location



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12 Dec 2011, 5:49 pm

RightGalaxy wrote:
My son who is in the 7th grade has to select a language to study next year. The choices are German, French, or Spanish. He couldn't make up his mind as to whether he wanted German or French. He finds English grammar challenging and the sound of Spanish annoying.
German either comes from English or vice-versa - I don't know. I think he'd be better off taking French. Does anyone care to comment on the difficulties of learning a language. His native language is English but he finds the grammar really hard.


Neither German nor English come from each other, they are both Germanic languages but siblings and not parent-child in relation. Spanish is the easiest and French pronunciation is impossible if you are a foreigner. I'd recommend getting past the annoyance of how Spanish sounds if he wants to learn an easy language with simple pronunciation and grammar.



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12 Dec 2011, 6:00 pm

I learned French rather than German at school (was random allocation. I learned German as an adult). I found it difficult because it felt embarrassing adopting the French idiom. I believe German would have been easier because the sounds are more masculine and closer to how I speak English. German grammar is probably harder than French, it has some rules you have to really get your head around. If he's a natural actor who easily adopts characters then French would be easier, otherwise German.



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12 Dec 2011, 6:46 pm

i wanna learn japanese!


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12 Dec 2011, 6:52 pm

Simmian7 wrote:
i wanna learn japanese!


Michel Thomas method is great for getting the structure of a language into your head; I learned German and Japanese starting this way. Here:

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12 Dec 2011, 7:30 pm

From my perspective, the easiest of the three languages is spanish. The grammar rules are kind of confusing, but it's not as confusing as the other two. The pronunciation of words in french is difficult for me and the rules for compound words in german are confusing to me. I taught myself to speak some swedish, which in my opinion is one of the easiest languages for a native english speaker to learn, despite that you have to memorize which rules to use for the different forms of every individual word. But it's not very useful for an American, like myself, who doesn't know anyone else who can speak swedish. Also, more than eighty percent of the population of Sweden can speak english so it's not nearly as useful as spanish, german, or french. Right now I'm trying to teach myself to speak russian. Aside from the fact that russian uses the cyrillic alphabet instead of the latin alphabet which we use in english, russian seems to me like it's easier than german and french, but probably not spanish. I haven't spent much time teaching it to myself, but I am good at quickly picking up on the different alphabet and memorizing the spelling of basic phrases. I'm not sure if I want to pursue russian though because I have attempted to learn to speak croatian, which I thought would be easy to learn because there are no sounds in croatian that we don't have in english, but the suffix rules are extremely confusing. It's kind of similar to russian, but it uses the latin alphabet. I thought about teaching myself to speak czech which uses the latin alphabet, but I decided to go with russian instead because it's similar and more people can speak it. It's also nice that russian doesn't have the sound that an r with a caron makes like czech does, which I have a hard time pronouncing. The suffix rules of czech are different from english, but I can easily understand them and they're easier than the suffix rules of the slavic languages like croatian. I'm hoping that the suffix rules of russian are more similar to the suffix rules of czech than croatian.



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12 Dec 2011, 7:50 pm

I'm in the process of learning German right now, and I'd say it's a lot easier than French (my attempt at that didn't go so well). If your son wants a challenge, then I recommend French. If he wants something a little easier, I'd go with German.


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12 Dec 2011, 7:57 pm

If he speaks English how does he struggle with English grammar?



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12 Dec 2011, 8:02 pm

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If he speaks English how does he struggle with English grammar?


Not everyone is good at using proper grammar.

It's like sports. Some people are good at sports, others aren't. The only way the person can improve themselves is through practice.

Besides, knowing more than one language improves memory.


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12 Dec 2011, 8:13 pm

I don't think it is like sports. I think it's like your native language. I don't think it's possible for someone to be grammatically poor in their native language. If the meaning was the kid doesn't know the technical names for ... oh I can't be bothered.



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12 Dec 2011, 8:17 pm

fraac wrote:
If he speaks English how does he struggle with English grammar?


The english language makes less sense than many other languages, although in the creation of all different languages someone decided at some point in time that it was a good idea to add in some extra unnecessary twists and exceptions to grammar rules that make them more confusing. I understand the grammar rules of english very well, but I think that I'd have a very hard time learning them if it wasn't my first language.