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gailryder17
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22 Apr 2012, 10:37 am

Why do people blame the victim in certain situations. I remember reading one story of a girl (14) named Dana, who lived with her stoic, strong mother (she took her daughter away from her abusive father when she was young). Dana played baseball, so that day she went to practice early to help the baseball coach set up. He told her he needed her to work on her swing, so she did, and he attempted to fondle her. She ran off and told her mother, but her mother blamed her because she went to practice early, "shakin' ass all around". Dana, at the end, lost faith in innocence and childhood (this was symbolized by the breaking of unicorn toys her mother's nice, young boyfriend gave her).

Is the man not at fault?


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22 Apr 2012, 11:11 am

I don't really know but I think it's pretty stupid.....I mean it just adds insult to injury really...and seems like a cheap way of trying to justify abuse/harrasment and such. Or maybe an easy way of ignoring the issue in question.


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22 Apr 2012, 11:27 am

I think the man is at fault. I also think the mother is at fault in her reaction, as she seems to believe her daughter should have expected what happened. People sometimes apportion blame to a victim, when they believe the victim is responsible enough to have know better. Even when the victim is 'responsible', the greater blame should always be placed on the perpetrator, in my opinion.


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22 Apr 2012, 11:30 am

Some people do ask for the treatment they get. There's a boy who lives 2 doors away from us that plays with my brother who's a little s**t (the neighbour not my bro). He's a control freak, bossy, rude, when he knocks on and Brad doesn't want to play he has to quiz whoever's turning him away to make sure our reasons are true and goes off in a huff when he goes back, he stands by the front door for ages at a time and knocks every 10 seconds (he used to just waltz right in our house until my mum told him off.) He has an infuriating voice and is a greedy bastard and always get my siblings to cook him stuff and always always comes round at meal times, the only reason being so he can get food.
Yesterday while preparing tea he was sent home and Brad took him to his door, he was pretending to knock on his house and kept coming back in saying they won't answer, he left eventually and that's when my bro said he was pretending to knock on, sneaky twat.

At school he gets picked on a lot, but it is his own fault for being such a horrible kid, he treats everyone like s**t and it's a given he pisses off everyone at his school and they're just retaliating.

I hate him and I don't hide it.


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22 Apr 2012, 11:34 am

Though of course the mum in your example was a bit of a b***h, whether her daughter was jiggling her arse or not.


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22 Apr 2012, 11:37 am

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22 Apr 2012, 2:02 pm

The mother seems to be lacking in empathy and sympathy towards her daughter. Imagine how the daughter must have felt after her mother said that to her.


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22 Apr 2012, 2:06 pm

Orr wrote:
I think the man is at fault. I also think the mother is at fault in her reaction, as she seems to believe her daughter should have expected what happened. People sometimes apportion blame to a victim, when they believe the victim is responsible enough to have know better. Even when the victim is 'responsible', the greater blame should always be placed on the perpetrator, in my opinion.


Know better than to do something there's really nothing wrong with?....she went to practice early, there is no reason she should have expected to be harrassed and acted accordingly, the man shouldn't have harrrassed her plain and simple so I don't understand peoples logic. So yeah I agree.


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22 Apr 2012, 2:11 pm

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Some people do ask for the treatment they get. There's a boy who lives 2 doors away from us that plays with my brother who's a little sh** (the neighbour not my bro). He's a control freak, bossy, rude, when he knocks on and Brad doesn't want to play he has to quiz whoever's turning him away to make sure our reasons are true and goes off in a huff when he goes back, he stands by the front door for ages at a time and knocks every 10 seconds (he used to just waltz right in our house until my mum told him off.) He has an infuriating voice and is a greedy bastard and always get my siblings to cook him stuff and always always comes round at meal times, the only reason being so he can get food.
Yesterday while preparing tea he was sent home and Brad took him to his door, he was pretending to knock on his house and kept coming back in saying they won't answer, he left eventually and that's when my bro said he was pretending to knock on, sneaky twat.

At school he gets picked on a lot, but it is his own fault for being such a horrible kid, he treats everyone like sh** and it's a given he pisses off everyone at his school and they're just retaliating.

I hate him and I don't hide it.


And you're positive he does this all intentionally how old is he?......not to mention many autistic kids come off that way to people who don't understand sometimes. Like some can be freaked out by change of routine, might come off as a bit of a control freak and maybe a little bossy....anyways If everyones just mean to this kid hows he going to learn anything other then that people are just jerks. I mean nothing you said to me makes one deserving of bullying.


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22 Apr 2012, 2:31 pm

Oh, he knows what he's doing, he's 9 by the way and fully capable of knowingly being horrible to his "friends". And he's nowhere near autistic.
You haven't even met him, he does need someone to really snap at him for him to realise how bad his behaviour is. He needs a serious wake-up call and will get one from someone before long.


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22 Apr 2012, 3:08 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
MONKEY wrote:
Some people do ask for the treatment they get. There's a boy who lives 2 doors away from us that plays with my brother who's a little sh** (the neighbour not my bro). He's a control freak, bossy, rude, when he knocks on and Brad doesn't want to play he has to quiz whoever's turning him away to make sure our reasons are true and goes off in a huff when he goes back, he stands by the front door for ages at a time and knocks every 10 seconds (he used to just waltz right in our house until my mum told him off.) He has an infuriating voice and is a greedy bastard and always get my siblings to cook him stuff and always always comes round at meal times, the only reason being so he can get food.
Yesterday while preparing tea he was sent home and Brad took him to his door, he was pretending to knock on his house and kept coming back in saying they won't answer, he left eventually and that's when my bro said he was pretending to knock on, sneaky twat.

At school he gets picked on a lot, but it is his own fault for being such a horrible kid, he treats everyone like sh** and it's a given he pisses off everyone at his school and they're just retaliating.

I hate him and I don't hide it.


And you're positive he does this all intentionally how old is he?......not to mention many autistic kids come off that way to people who don't understand sometimes. Like some can be freaked out by change of routine, might come off as a bit of a control freak and maybe a little bossy....anyways If everyones just mean to this kid hows he going to learn anything other then that people are just jerks. I mean nothing you said to me makes one deserving of bullying.


Why do you assume he's autistic?


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22 Apr 2012, 3:09 pm

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Oh, he knows what he's doing, he's 9 by the way and fully capable of knowingly being horrible to his "friends". And he's nowhere near autistic.
You haven't even met him, he does need someone to really snap at him for him to realise how bad his behaviour is. He needs a serious wake-up call and will get one from someone before long.


I remember when I was 9. That would be in third to fourth grade. If that wake-up call involves things like bullying, or physical assault all it will likely do is make him think everyone hates him and think of himself as a victim. When I was that age if anyone was trying to send some kind of message to me by treating me badly the only one I got was "we hate you and you're a freak".

I'm not saying you should have to put up with being around him if you can't stand him but to me he sounds like a lonely kid with lots of problems. His mother should get him some therapy maybe and enroll him in a big brother program.



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22 Apr 2012, 3:09 pm

@rabbitears It seems to be everyone's explanation for everything on here.


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22 Apr 2012, 3:11 pm

By the way, yeah, sometimes the victim can bring it on themselves, sometimes not. Things like this have just got to be taken on a case by case basis and people shouldn't get involved if they don't know the full story.


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22 Apr 2012, 3:12 pm

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By the way, yeah, sometimes the victim can bring it on themselves, sometimes not. Things like this have just got to be taken on a case by case basis and people shouldn't get involved if they don't know the full story.

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22 Apr 2012, 3:13 pm

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Some people do ask for the treatment they get.


When I was in sixth grade (that would be 11/12 years old) I had a school therapist tell me people were mean to me and treated me the way they did because of the way I acted.

That was not helpful at all. I did not know what I was doing wrong and did not know how else to act.