i think the world is on a track towards doom.

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09 Jun 2009, 3:29 am

does any1 agree with me that the way we live right now is not reallistic.
this whole consumer industry and free economy needs to stop we keep putting more and more new people on this planet and we keep producing large amounts of stuff that is never going to be used.

the road we are going on right now is a dead end, at one point they will have to turn the way the world is being run upside down. that will only happen at the last moment when that dead end is right around the corner.

were going to run out of space and resources at some point.

the reason why we are living this way is because we are selfish. why would we change or care about the way we are consuming right now its only going to be a problem for next generations its not going to have any effect on our lives so why should we care right?.

the governments need to step in and take more control obviously we cant handle this much freedom. if you cant see whats wrong with just a couple people having milions of dollars just sitting on their bank while there is milions who have s**t then you are blind.

im not saying that im not living a selfish live but at least i dont lie to myself about whats going on.

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09 Jun 2009, 4:31 am

Nature has it's own way of balancing things. In the big picture, we're doing nothing wrong. Ever.

Nature doesn't care if we go extinct. But one thing is for certain, and that is that no energy is going to waste. Simply because energy cannot seize to exist.

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09 Jun 2009, 12:51 pm

Every couple should be limited to having only two children or each person to having only one. If any person has more than their allotment then they should be forcibly sterilized. If one of the children dies before their eighteenth birthday they should be allowed to have more.

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09 Jun 2009, 1:15 pm

Have you seen the news lately? Consumerism is virtually obsolete.

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09 Jun 2009, 2:03 pm

The world is better than it has ever been. If it goes a little downhill, it doesn't mean it's gonna hit rock bottom.

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09 Jun 2009, 2:06 pm

lol, believed it all my life.

No one cares, though, we will care when everything really starts to fail, or when we run out of oil.

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09 Jun 2009, 5:05 pm

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Genius. Except that, y'know, aside from the resulting demographic collapse of having an average birthrate well below replacement, how the hell would you enforce it in one of the parts of the world that is actually reproducing? This is one of those brilliant plans that people come up with which can't have any effect beyond castrating the first world. Big news! The first world isn't the deciding factor in the growth of the world's population. :roll:

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if you cant see whats wrong with just a couple people having milions of dollars just sitting on their bank while there is milions who have sh** then you are blind.

What do you think that having that money in the bank is doing? It provides a reserve for that bank to provide loans and lets the system work; when banks don't make loans and credit dries up, surprise! you get the current recession. And that system functioning does good. We are living at the greatest times for humanity in terms of material prosperity; there has never been a smaller percentage of the population living in extreme poverty than there is now.

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09 Jun 2009, 7:03 pm

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Another problem with this, is that society place different worths on the genders. They tried this practice in China, and ended up with a society with just about only boy children. Now, the biggest majority of them are never going to find a girl and become criminals instead.

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09 Jun 2009, 7:20 pm

Sorry I totally replied to the wrong thread here, but I do have something to say about this that's relevant so yeah, I think the one thing we need to do is reduce overpopulation. Too many people is very annoying. VERY bad for the planet. I once had a conversation about this with a professor who later told my dad that he thought I needed help because I was so depressing. Just fixing over population would be good. The problem is that the population is burgeoning not in "educated" or "developed" places, but in those countries that really can't support it. Limiting couples doesn't do anything - look at China and the one-child policy. A better suggestion would be to do a TON of educaiton about family planning and birth control. That would be helpful.

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09 Jun 2009, 7:44 pm

Hasn't the world been in a state of decline since before recorded history...?

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10 Jun 2009, 12:09 am

I used to think this but have since changed my mind.

Science can probably find substitutes for natural resources that run low. Likewise with food.

Official projections for population growth say that the global population will level off at 10 billion. I think around the year 2200. Even if it doesn't level off by the year 2200 new technologies should make maintaining this and higher populations doable.

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10 Jun 2009, 12:55 am

twoshots wrote:

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Every couple should be limited to having only two children or each person to having only one. If any person has more than their allotment then they should be forcibly sterilized. If one of the children dies before their eighteenth birthday they should be allowed to have more.

Genius. Except that, y'know, aside from the resulting demographic collapse of having an average birthrate well below replacement, how the hell would you enforce it in one of the parts of the world that is actually reproducing? This is one of those brilliant plans that people come up with which can't have any effect beyond castrating the first world. Big news! The first world isn't the deciding factor in the growth of the world's population.

It would be quite a while before there would be a demographic collapse and besides we could use a little flattening for now anyway. As for the “world” I don’t give a …. about the rest of the world. I only care about my California first, U.S.A. second and first world countries third. Unless they agree to mandated population controls the rest of the world can go starve themselves. Close the borders and stop feeding and healing all those who want to breed like rats and the rest will take care of itself.

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Every couple should be limited to having only two children or each person to having only one. If any person has more than their allotment then they should be forcibly sterilized. If one of the children dies before their eighteenth birthday they should be allowed to have more.
Another problem with this, is that society place different worths on the genders. They tried this practice in China, and ended up with a society with just about only boy children. Now, the biggest majority of them are never going to find a girl and become criminals instead.

I know my cousin married a girl from China a few years back and guess what else I know. The pendulum is swinging the other way now. Chinese families with girls are demanding dowries now because girls are so hard to find. Result is entropy.

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10 Jun 2009, 1:20 am

TB wrote:

does any1 agree with me that the way we live right now is not reallistic.
this whole consumer industry and free economy needs to stop we keep putting more and more new people on this planet and we keep producing large amounts of stuff that is never going to be used.

the road we are going on right now is a dead end, at one point they will have to turn the way the world is being run upside down. that will only happen at the last moment when that dead end is right around the corner.

were going to run out of space and resources at some point.

the reason why we are living this way is because we are selfish. why would we change or care about the way we are consuming right now its only going to be a problem for next generations its not going to have any effect on our lives so why should we care right?.

the governments need to step in and take more control obviously we cant handle this much freedom. if you cant see whats wrong with just a couple people having milions of dollars just sitting on their bank while there is milions who have sh** then you are blind.

im not saying that im not living a selfish live but at least i dont lie to myself about whats going on.

The matrix has you.

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10 Jun 2009, 3:50 am

As soon as something is made, it's on its way down.

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10 Jun 2009, 10:05 am

Chyndonax wrote:

I used to think this but have since changed my mind.

Science can probably find substitutes for natural resources that run low. Likewise with food.

I think the movie Soylent Green already covered that scenario. (Look it up on Wikipedia; if you want to see it but haven't, I don't want to spoil it.) But unlike in the movie, which was set in 2020 or so, I don't think the world will have to resort to eating soylent green anywhere in my lifetime. I will still be around, however, when we run out of oil, so I'm curious to see how that will play out. Time will tell.

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10 Jun 2009, 10:20 am

Kenjuudo wrote:

energy can go from the form of fertile land, into infertile milerals, salt and rock, remember. give it enoooouuugh time, and time there is plenty of.
humanity existed naked for upto 5 million years (depending on how you define human), its mindboggling how relative this number is.
its infinite, and its nothing.
even if we survive for a million years before going extinct, or we go extinct tomorrow, it really wouldnt matter much.

thats why jobs never really interested me. societies. political parties. it sucks, as a species, to know that your headed nowhere

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