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29 Oct 2007, 11:34 am

I have often tried to imagine the concept of absolute nothingness, and it just used to keep me awake at night. I still sometimes have pictures in my mind of just empty space and sort of a grey fog for some unfathomable reason. I have often thought "What if there was nothing?" I have often wondered if I am the only person who has imagined such an image. Does anyone else have weird, bizarre thoughts that keep you awake at night or are just impossible to have an ordinary, every day conversation about with most people?


Here's an interesting tidbit that, of all places, I heard at a contemporary church service. The pastor said about God: "What was he doing with these weird creatures called dinosaurs?" I had a really funny image about a cosmic video game in which God randomly assigns each dinosaur a certain level of strength and decides who gets chomped each day. I laughed hysterically at this image. I thought this was perhaps the only place I could get away with sharing such an image.



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29 Oct 2007, 1:52 pm

Don't get me started lol
They say the universe was created in the Big Bang, so what was there before? There couldn't have been nothing. There had to be something there. Argh!



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29 Oct 2007, 6:27 pm

JustSteph wrote:
Don't get me started lol
They say the universe was created in the Big Bang, so what was there before? There couldn't have been nothing. There had to be something there. Argh!


This is just one question "Big Band" theorists can't answer.

Try imagining "Dark Energy". Say wot?? I can only envision levels of energy, a black hole has such intense energy even light get sucked into it. So how could energy be "dark".

Triple Duh ! !!


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29 Oct 2007, 6:35 pm

autisticstar wrote:
I have often tried to imagine the concept of absolute nothingness, and it just used to keep me awake at night. I still sometimes have pictures in my mind of just empty space and sort of a grey fog for some unfathomable reason. I have often thought "What if there was nothing?" I have often wondered if I am the only person who has imagined such an image. Does anyone else have weird, bizarre thoughts that keep you awake at night or are just impossible to have an ordinary, every day conversation about with most people?


Here's an interesting tidbit that, of all places, I heard at a contemporary church service. The pastor said about God: "What was he doing with these weird creatures called dinosaurs?" I had a really funny image about a cosmic video game in which God randomly assigns each dinosaur a certain level of strength and decides who gets chomped each day. I laughed hysterically at this image. I thought this was perhaps the only place I could get away with sharing such an image.



Georg Cantor the mathematician went bonkers thinking about the infinite and beyond....


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29 Oct 2007, 7:52 pm

I try to push my imagination to the absolute limit by trying to imagine things that are simply unimaginable.
In my mythology, the universe we live in is just a link in a chain that is the Circle of Existence.
Our universe was born after the previous existence died, and when our universe begins to shrink and die, from the ashes will rise a new universe, a completely different one.
I try to imagine what the existence before our universe was like. The problem is, it can't be anything like ours.
The images I get in my head are, theres a lot of purple and red, there are strange columns and spiral structures and architecture I can't even describe. The inhabitants of this place have an amorphous gas body and a solid metal yellow and purple "head" structure with what looks like shoulders attached, almost like part of a armor suit, and then these milky liquid looking tentacles coming from under the shoulder things.
Thats as much as I can see in my mind, and it is probably only one small part of the whole field of existence. I try to just stick to stuff in our universe.



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29 Oct 2007, 8:57 pm

Prof Pretorius mentioned dark energy. . .

. . .the idea is that all kinds of very short lived (short as in quantum uncertainty in a timelile realm short) "virtual particles" bounce around and interact with real particles in such a way as to create an expansive force in the universe.

I would love to have someone how they could do actual work in that if their vectoes do not sum to zero then thermodynamics fails.


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29 Oct 2007, 8:59 pm

I simply cant imagine a universe without God.

Indeed, I tryed to think about back in the day what the edge of the universe would look like, and then I realized something, matter and energy, the substance that makes up our universe is certainly finite, however space and time is infinite, so the edge of our universe would be those points where matter/energy are the farthest away from the point where our universe originated, where the singularity was that created the universe, the big bang itself. Beyond that would be nothing but empty space or perhapse other universes, or bubbles in infinite space/time, bubbles of matter/energy. These could take the shape of spheres, donughts, look like circular sheets of paper ect...

Hmmm... maby the above only makes sence to me... hard time conveying my thoughts


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31 Oct 2007, 11:53 am

woodsman25 wrote:
I simply cant imagine a universe without God
hm. i feel the same way, however i think man made god up in his head and if he does exist hes an alien and not living in some place made out of gold&pearls


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31 Oct 2007, 3:06 pm

I simply cant imagine a universe WITH a god.
I am not so opposed to multiple gods though, one for every planet in the universe, but then that would be billions of gods for every inch of the sky. Maybe just one god for every galaxy?
Well either way, god is just a fairy tale, a way to escape thinking, not think more.
Whenever you can't explain something, instead of trying harder to figure it out, you can just say "god did it".



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31 Oct 2007, 9:06 pm

I was 5 or 6 when I started obsessing over the beginning of time. How can there be a beginning? And how long before that? And how could it be forever before that? And how was the beginning at the beginning if there was some before that? You know? I ignore it now because frankly I don't care anymore lol, but as a little kid it boggled my mind.



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29 Dec 2007, 1:35 am

Autistic Star you're talking about Entropy.

When I first found that word in the dictionary it just wigged me out. The fact that there was even a word like it.

Its like the evil opposite of Tao.



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29 Dec 2007, 1:40 am

The mental image of the dinosaurs was funny, though it hurts my head to try to imagine absolute emptiness.



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29 Dec 2007, 1:48 am

Yes, when I used to get really depressed, I would take comfort in this thought:

"The only thing constant is existence."

I had chosen that belief after pondering the way that things constantly change. Matter constantly rearranges itself. And yet it seems logical that roughly the same amount of matter has always existed, or always will exist.

Either there always was something and always will be something OR there once was nothing and one day there will again be nothing. Infinity or nothingness. Both difficult concepts for the human mind to grasp.



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29 Dec 2007, 1:50 am

Cameo wrote:
I was 5 or 6 when I started obsessing over the beginning of time. How can there be a beginning? And how long before that? And how could it be forever before that? And how was the beginning at the beginning if there was some before that? You know? I ignore it now because frankly I don't care anymore lol, but as a little kid it boggled my mind.


Same sort of thing here....

As a kid I used to freak myself out thinking about stuff like this and what is was like after dying... nothingness or somethins?

I finally quit worrying about it as a teenager and haven't cared much since... my life is much nicer because of it. :D


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29 Dec 2007, 2:41 am

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29 Dec 2007, 5:48 am

There was no "before the big bang." That's a nonsensical concept. Time began at the big bang; by definition "before the big bang" does not exist. Nor does space exist "outside the universe." It took a while to figure out how to wrap my brain around these concepts, but the key is to avoid the tendency to imagine from without, and realize that it is only possible to observe space and/or time from within.