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05 Nov 2017, 7:33 pm

Almost everyday you hear on the news about a mass shooting or a terrorist attack. There was just a mass shooting today at a church in Texas, there was a shooting at a Colorado Walmart the other day, there was a terrorist attack in NYC that killed 8 people, and there was the Las Vegas shooting over a month ago that killed 58. What is happening with this world? It seems that over the last 10 years or so we have seen a spike in mass shootings. This is not shocking anymore because it seems to be happening so frequently. I'm sure that there is someone right now planning the next mass shooting. It is only a matter of when and where it will take place. My life isn't all that great. I get depressed, frustrated, annoyed, and anxious at times. That doesn't mean that I want to go out and kill people. If I were to ever kill anyone I would kill myself before I would ever kill another human being. Mental illness is a very serious thing and we need to do more to treat the mentally ill instead of ignoring them. We need to open up mental hospitals and psych wards to keep potentially dangerous people off the streets. We all know that there is going to be more mass shootings somewhere in the near future.



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05 Nov 2017, 8:23 pm

Because people no longer believe pacifism is the way forwards.


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05 Nov 2017, 8:38 pm

Maybe it is not that there are more shootings.

Maybe it is just that the shootings that there are, get more publicity



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05 Nov 2017, 8:50 pm

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Because people no longer believe pacifism is the way forwards.



"Pacifism" is the belief that you cant make war, or use the military.

The majority of people NEVER EVER believed in "pacifism" (as the word is defined above), so that hasn't changed from before, so that cant be the explanation.



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05 Nov 2017, 8:56 pm

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Maybe it is not that there are more shootings.

Maybe it is just that the shootings that there are, get more publicity




If this church shooting had happened in 1955 it would have been front page news, just like it is now. If aurora or columbine or Las Vegas had happened in the mid twentieth century they each would have been given huge news coverage.

Its true that violence in general is over reported relative how prevelant violence in general is these days. The amount of violence in general was more 100 or 300 years ago than now. The US had more violent crime in the 80's than now. But it seems like there is more violence now because of better reporting.

But if you're talking about the one particular kind of violence in question:spree shootings/mass murders, the amount of reporting is the same as it ever was. And yes there is more of that particular crime than before.



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05 Nov 2017, 9:13 pm

the united states isn’t the world... anyway, one undeniable trend, is that while women are equally capable of such heinous acts, the vast majority in the states appear perpetrated by men.

speculate it could have to do with some men reaching their wits end that they’ve got to become a genuinely good spirited individual to win and maintain the affection of a modern american woman.

want to move to alaska. seems a beautiful place, and almost never mentioned in news of murder unless a moose kills someone doing something stupid.


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05 Nov 2017, 9:24 pm

we don't have any standard or precedent to compare our behavior to. this is all we will ever know.


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05 Nov 2017, 9:33 pm

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Mental illness is a very serious thing and we need to do more to treat the mentally ill instead of ignoring them. We need to open up mental hospitals and psych wards to keep potentially dangerous people off the streets. We all know that there is going to be more mass shootings somewhere in the near future.

how many mass shooters were identified as mentally ill or even dangerous before the shooting?


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05 Nov 2017, 9:47 pm

I have a feeling if they were going to start pulling "dangerous" people off the street, autistics would be first in the firing line. :(


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05 Nov 2017, 10:29 pm

I think it's because the world is very overpopulated & people are getting on each other's nerves


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05 Nov 2017, 10:37 pm

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I think it's because the world is very overpopulated & people are getting on each other's nerves

i dont think so.. yes 7 billion people looks much but its not.



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06 Nov 2017, 2:01 am

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Maybe it is not that there are more shootings.

Maybe it is just that the shootings that there are, get more publicity


Mass Shootings Are Getting Deadlier, Not More Frequent Data show that mass public shootings are roughly as common now as they were in the 1980s and ’90s.
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A mass public shooting, as I’ve defined it in my research, is any incident in which four or more victims are killed with a firearm within a 24-hour period at a public location in the absence of other criminal activity (robberies, drug deals, gang “turf wars”), military conflict or collective violence. For instance, last year’s mass murder at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando would qualify, but the 1890 massacre at Wounded Knee would not, nor would a familicide in a private home, nor a shootout between rival gangs.

Within these boundaries, there have been 140 mass public shootings in the United States since 1976 (the rest have been mostly familicides and felony-related massacres), which amounts to an average of a little more than three per year. When we’re looking at trends in the incidence and severity of mass public shootings over time, it’s necessary—just as it is with other types of crime—to adjust for changes in the size of the U.S. population.

For example, we had roughly the same raw number of murders in the U.S. in 2011 (14,612) as in 1969 (14,760). But because there were 110 million more Americans in 2011, the 1969 murder rate per 100,000 residents was 7.3, about 55 percent higher than the 2011 rate (4.7). Due to the rarity of mass public shootings, I’ve calculated the rates per 100 million in the U.S. population.

This may help to explain why shootings seem more common, even though they aren’t. Research shows that the number of victims killed and wounded are the strongest predictors of the extent to which a mass killing gets reported by the news media. Recent growth in the number of catastrophic mass public shootings—combined with the extensive, wall-to-wall news coverage that accompanies these tragedies—likely accounts for the commonly held misconception that mass shootings are now more frequent.

The few studies we do have tell us that mass public shootings, while horrific, are, fortunately, quite rare. This apparent paradox—rare yet “routine”—likely reflects the outsized impact that catastrophic mass murders have on our perceptions of public safety.


I do think publicity is creating copycat attacks not so much in the "That is cool I want to do it" way but disturbed people instead of killing the wife or beating up the dog have the idea of a mass shootings planted in their brain.


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06 Nov 2017, 8:59 am

Raleigh

Exactly

There is a myth of the autistic shooter

James Holmes, Christopher Harper Mercer, Adam Lanza , and numerous other defendants fit the profile

Autistics often get bullied, lack empathy, have no friends, no job, lazy hygiene, and act in ways that neurotypicals misunderstood

Especially undiagnosed autistics

Autistics tend to be unemployed more often than neurotypicals. Making it harder to afford expensive defense attorneys

Furthermore, I would be paranoid if I got subpoenaed to court, as a suspect. Because the judge and jury might misconstrue weird nonverbal communication, insufficient eye contact, anxiety.

It is simply not possible to correctly predict everyone that is "potentially dangerous" and nobody else

One an autistic rightfully or wrongfully gets sent to jail, maybe the autistic is at more risk of getting physically and sexually assaulted. Autistics have a hard time making friends and etcetera

Things do not look good for autistics

Autistics might not have enough :cry: character witnesses :cry: in court

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Besides some of the symptoms of autism overlap with schizophrenia



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06 Nov 2017, 10:20 am

This kind of thing is still uncommon in Canada. Countries that have fewer guns have fewer gun-related deaths for some bizarre and inexplicable reason. :roll:

And the thing that's wrong with people today, and every day before, is that they're human. It would be great to not have to *be* one.



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06 Nov 2017, 12:42 pm

Tader wrote:
nick007 wrote:
I think it's because the world is very overpopulated & people are getting on each other's nerves

i dont think so.. yes 7 billion people looks much but its not.
Yes it is, the world is over populated.


nick007 wrote:
I think it's because the world is very overpopulated & people are getting on each other's nerves
Yeah, I've wondered myself if it's a result of us being too numerous , nature's way of fixing the problem.

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MSBKyle wrote:
Mental illness is a very serious thing and we need to do more to treat the mentally ill instead of ignoring them. We need to open up mental hospitals and psych wards to keep potentially dangerous people off the streets. We all know that there is going to be more mass shootings somewhere in the near future.

how many mass shooters were identified as mentally ill or even dangerous before the shooting?
Mass shootings aren't the norm here, but there have been examples of people going berserk with knives, people who were known to be dangerous, and one was so dangerous that the local psychiatric ward didn't dare keep him there :roll:


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06 Nov 2017, 2:03 pm

nick007 wrote:
I think it's because the world is very overpopulated & people are getting on each other's nerves


If that's the case then spree killings would be common in crowded countries like the Dutch Netherlands, and Bangladesh, and would happen in countries with high population growth like Kenya. It would rarely happen in moderate density countries moderate growth countries like the USA. And would NEVER happen in the sparsely populated reaches of the American west like Nevada, and Texas, were two such incidents just happened. And spree killings don't claim enough lives to make a dent in population growth anyway.