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21 Nov 2007, 7:46 pm

why do people think they own land because they dont they can't that land was there before the person was even born no actuly wait that land was there before even the human race came along im sick of it why do people think its theres nobody owns it its just there



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21 Nov 2007, 9:35 pm

Land was originally simply claimed. I agree though, nobody really owns the land. Here in socal (at least in my area) we as home owners only own two feet down into the ground. Below that is property of Shell oil aka he with the most money...



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21 Nov 2007, 9:42 pm

Your owning the land corresponds with your ability to enforce that ownership.



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21 Nov 2007, 9:56 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
Your owning the land corresponds with your ability to enforce that ownership.


Agreed.

Many animals control territory as a means of survival. I think that as humans, animals which can use reason, it behooves us to find ways in which we can resolve disputes without the use of urine and biting as a way of reducing overall death and misery, a utilitarian argument.

When you catch an assfull of 12 guage rock salt, you have found a property line.

That is the morality, I think, not the whole concept of land ownership. In order to share things with perfect equality, we require perfect people.

Like it or not, it will happen. It is what people do.

And Canada and the US is mostly empty.

Speaking of which, those dirty Danes and the Rascally Russians have been encroaching on Canada's North Pole!

Chris Rock sez: Keep 'em off the pole!

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21 Nov 2007, 10:19 pm

You have a point. But...

Since you don't own your land, this means you have no claim over it, correct? It follows that if people come trampling all over your property, you have no right to complain.


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21 Nov 2007, 10:38 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
You have a point. But...

Since you don't own your land, this means you have no claim over it, correct? It follows that if people come trampling all over your property, you have no right to complain.


Define "own". There's an old saw: possession is 9/10ths of the law.

Ability to assert dominance seems to be a good definition. What do you think?


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23 Nov 2007, 12:39 am

the government thinks they own the land but they dont. get your land on, and go make your own home out on the land



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23 Nov 2007, 12:47 am

Kurtz wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
You have a point. But...

Since you don't own your land, this means you have no claim over it, correct? It follows that if people come trampling all over your property, you have no right to complain.


Define "own". There's an old saw: possession is 9/10ths of the law.

Ability to assert dominance seems to be a good definition. What do you think?


Yes, but in our modern society, the 12 gauge gets replaced by your ability to simply call the police, present a deed, and they'll kick the intruder off your land.

However, as soon as law and order goes away, your 12 gauge once again will replace that deed. So, keep them both, the deed and the 12 gauge, and use both as your means of ownership.



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23 Nov 2007, 1:30 am

Kalister1 wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
You have a point. But...

Since you don't own your land, this means you have no claim over it, correct? It follows that if people come trampling all over your property, you have no right to complain.


Define "own". There's an old saw: possession is 9/10ths of the law.

Ability to assert dominance seems to be a good definition. What do you think?


Yes, but in our modern society, the 12 gauge gets replaced by your ability to simply call the police, present a deed, and they'll kick the intruder off your land.

However, as soon as law and order goes away, your 12 gauge once again will replace that deed. So, keep them both, the deed and the 12 gauge, and use both as your means of ownership.


Why do you call the cops? Because they have a 12 gauge, and you want them to do your dirty work for you.

I have no problem with subcontracting.

I f****ng hate unions, though.

http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/CopsDontProtect.htm
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On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to police protection, even in the presence of a restraining order.

By a vote of 7-to-2, the Supreme Court ruled that Gonzales has no right to sue her local police department for failing to protect her and her children from her estranged husband.

The post-mortem discussion on Gonzales has been fiery but it has missed an obvious point. If the government won't protect you, then you have to take responsibility for your own self-defense and that of your family. The court's ruling is a sad decision, but one that every victim and/or potential victim of violence must note: calling the police is not enough. You must also be ready to defend yourself.

In 1999, Gonzales obtained a restraining order against her estranged husband Simon, which limited his access to their children. On June 22, 1999, Simon abducted their three daughters. Though the Castle Rock police department disputes some of the details of what happened next, the two sides are in basic agreement: After her daughters' abduction, Gonzales repeatedly phoned the police for assistance. Officers visited the home. Believing Simon to be non-violent and, arguably, in compliance with the limited access granted by the restraining order, the police did nothing.

The next morning, Simon committed "suicide by cop." He shot a gun repeatedly through a police station window and was killed by returned fire. The murdered bodies of Leslie, 7, Katheryn, 9 and Rebecca, 10 were found in Simon's pickup truck.


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23 Nov 2007, 1:45 am

webster wrote:
why do people think they own land because they dont they can't that land was there before the person was even born no actuly wait that land was there before even the human race came along im sick of it why do people think its theres nobody owns it its just there


It's my understanding that the original concept was that someone would own the right to use that land as granted by a higher authority in a given society that claimed control over the area in which the property was located. This has nothing to do with the land itself, really, but only the social "right" to not have to fight off anyone else in that society for the use of that plot of ground.

Somehow that seems to be understood by a lot of people to be just as you say. That they think they have some sort of ownership of a part of the earth independent of the society.



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23 Nov 2007, 2:06 am

Nan wrote:
webster wrote:
why do people think they own land because they dont they can't that land was there before the person was even born no actuly wait that land was there before even the human race came along im sick of it why do people think its theres nobody owns it its just there


It's my understanding that the original concept was that someone would own the right to use that land as granted by a higher authority in a given society that claimed control over the area in which the property was located. This has nothing to do with the land itself, really, but only the social "right" to not have to fight off anyone else in that society for the use of that plot of ground.

Somehow that seems to be understood by a lot of people to be just as you say. That they think they have some sort of ownership of a part of the earth independent of the society.


Kings would own countries and everything and everyone in them.

In modern times all land is owned by the government. Title in allodium is retained by the sovereign, the state. Property taxes=rent.

Allodial title is difficult to obtain.

When you buy a home you are buying real estate, not land. Building permits...why do you need to be permitted to do what you will with your own property? Because it isn't your property.

When you drive your car, you are committing a crime in a rented vehicle. You do not own your car either, you own a title. You are not allowed to drive, that is a crime. A "license" is a legal term meaning a legal privilege to break the law - you must give them money, a bribe, to drive on the roads you paid for against your will so you can go to work, so you can pay half of what you make back to the government.

You don't even own your work.

Your name is Toby.


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23 Nov 2007, 2:49 am

it seems people are taking this quite seriously lol


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23 Nov 2007, 2:53 am

Kurtz wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
You have a point. But...

Since you don't own your land, this means you have no claim over it, correct? It follows that if people come trampling all over your property, you have no right to complain.


Define "own". There's an old saw: possession is 9/10ths of the law.

Ability to assert dominance seems to be a good definition. What do you think?


Your definition works. That, or ability to prevent others from taking that which is in your possession, which is linked to the ability to assert dominance.


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24 Nov 2007, 1:13 am

webster wrote:
it seems people are taking this quite seriously lol


Of course we are - you throw a bait like that out and you'll get a feeding frenzy every time! :lol:



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07 Jun 2019, 12:26 pm

What a necro! 100 points!


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