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12 Dec 2019, 10:26 am

"Am not" to "amn't" to "an't" to "ain't".
"Are not" to "aren't" to "an't" to "ain't".

Originally a contraction for "am not" and "are not" later started being used to contract "is not".



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12 Dec 2019, 10:32 am

Yep. That's true.



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12 Dec 2019, 10:35 am

Ain't that the truth! ;)


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12 Dec 2019, 11:21 am

And bain't comes from be not but that word is almost completely out of use in the UK



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12 Dec 2019, 11:37 am

domineekee wrote:
And bain't comes from be not but that word is almost completely out of use in the UK


I never heard of the word "baint" until I read that they use that term in Cornwall (just one little corner of England). And that it is that, a contraction of "be" and "not".

To be.

Or, to baint?

That is the question.



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12 Dec 2019, 1:10 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
domineekee wrote:
And bain't comes from be not but that word is almost completely out of use in the UK


I never heard of the word "baint" until I read that they use that term in Cornwall (just one little corner of England). And that it is that, a contraction of "be" and "not".

To be.

Or, to baint?

That is the question.

Correct, althought I think that it was used in Devon and Cornwall too. Just very occasionally you might hear an old farmer still speaking in a broad dialect that's very, very hard to understand.



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12 Dec 2019, 8:27 pm

True indeed.


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14 Dec 2019, 1:22 pm

All I really know is that when I was a kid if you said "ain't", you'd make the adults faint, ha ha. Now kids go around saying the F word constantly and other adults barely blink an eye. They even say it in front of their own kids. As a kid I hated hearing teens and adults around me swearing.



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14 Dec 2019, 4:38 pm

I endorse the word ain’t. It has a valid purpose although it’s generally used incorrectly. It doesn’t really matter, though, because it doesn’t impede my understanding. As long as it gets the general meaning across, why not?

My grandmother actually says “hain’t.”



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14 Dec 2019, 5:02 pm

Yes. We were always taught not to say "aint", but It seems like a perfectly useful and a ok contraction of "am" and "not", or "are" and "not".



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14 Dec 2019, 5:33 pm

i remember hearing one of my relatives say "h'aint" as well.



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14 Dec 2019, 5:37 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
I endorse the word ain’t. It's got a valid purpose though it’s generally used incorrectly. It don't really matter, though, because it don't impede none of my understanding. As long as it gets the general meaning across, innit?

My Nan actually says “hain’t.”

Fixed that for ya :wink:



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15 Dec 2019, 3:20 pm

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Amn't as a contraction of am not is known from 1618.[2] As the "mn" combination of two nasal consonants is disfavoured by many English speakers, the "m" of amn't began to be elided, reflected in writing with the new form an't.[3] Aren't as a contraction for are not first appeared in 1675.[4] In non-rhotic dialects, aren't lost its "r" sound, and began to be pronounced as an't.[5]

An't (sometimes a'n't) arose from am not and are not almost simultaneously. An't first appears in print in the work of English Restoration playwrights.[6] In 1695 an't was used as a contraction of "am not", in William Congreve's play Love for Love: "I can hear you farther off, I an't deaf".[7] But as early as 1696 Sir John Vanbrugh uses an't to mean "are not" in The Relapse: "Hark thee shoemaker! These shoes an't ugly, but they don't fit me".[8]

An't for is not may have developed independently from its use for am not and are not. Isn't was sometimes written as in't or en't, which could have changed into an't. An't for is not may also have filled a gap as an extension of the already-used conjugations for to be not.[6] Jonathan Swift used an't to mean is not in Letter 19 of his Journal to Stella (1710–13): It an't my fault, 'tis Patrick's fault; pray now don't blame Presto.[9]

An't with a long "a" sound began to be written as ain't, which first appears in writing in 1749.[10] By the time ain't appeared, an't was already being used for am not, are not, and is not.[6] An't and ain't coexisted as written forms well into the nineteenth century—Charles Dickens used the terms interchangeably, as in Chapter 13, Book the Second of Little Dorrit (1857): "'I guessed it was you, Mr Pancks", said she, 'for it's quite your regular night; ain't it? ... An't it gratifying, Mr Pancks, though; really?'". In the English lawyer William Hickey's memoirs (1808–1810), ain't appears as a contraction of aren't; "thank God we're all alive, ain't we..."[11]

Han't or ha'n't, an early contraction for has not and have not, developed from the elision of the "s" of has not and the "v" of have not.[6] Han't appeared in the work of English Restoration playwrights,[6] as in The Country Wife (1675) by William Wycherley: Gentlemen and Ladies, han't you all heard the late sad report / of poor Mr. Horner.[12] Much like an't, han't was sometimes pronounced with a long "a", yielding hain't. With H-dropping, the "h" of han't or hain't gradually disappeared in most dialects, and became ain't.[6]

Ain't as a contraction for has not/have not first appeared in dictionaries in the 1830s, and appeared in 1819 in Niles' Weekly Register: Strike! Why I ain't got nobody here to strike....[13] Charles Dickens likewise used ain't to mean haven't in Chapter 28 of Martin Chuzzlewit (1844): "You ain't got nothing to cry for, bless you! He's righter than a trivet!"[14]

Like with an't, han't and ain't were found together late into the nineteenth century, as in Chapter 12 of Dickens' Our Mutual Friend: "'Well, have you finished?' asked the strange man. 'No,' said Riderhood, 'I ain't'....'You sir! You han't said what you want of me.'"[15]



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15 Dec 2019, 4:01 pm

domineekee wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I endorse the word ain’t. It's got a valid purpose though it’s generally used incorrectly. It don't really matter, though, because it don't impede none of my understanding. As long as it gets the general meaning across, innit?

My Nan actually says “hain’t.”

Fixed that for ya :wink:


I don’t call her Nan. She’s technically “Nana,” but we don’t like each other, so I’ve become more formal in the words I use when I think of her.

If you are addressing my lack of capitalization, I was correct. If I had said “Grandmother actually says ‘hain’t,’” “grandmother” would have to be capitalized. In the context of “my grandmother,” it doesn’t need to be because “grandmother” follows the possessive pronoun “my.”

https://www.dictionary.com/e/capitalizing-family/

It’s confusing, so no worries. I’m not usually much of a stickler for rules, anyway.