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07 Sep 2020, 4:42 am

I seem to have always had this. It is as if what I add to a conversation has never been said. It is as if I am not here?

I have this in real life and I even have it in here. Why does this happen? I do not know. It could be that I speak or type on a different wavelength to everyone else?

It does not always happen, but I do notice that when popular people say things almost everyone talks back to them, but if I say something they just move on to some other topic... Not even acknowledging that I have said what I have said. Yet they get offended if I then walk off, but why? If what I say does not mean anything to them then it is pointless me being there! Being there wastes their time and wastes my time as well.

I am wondering if there is some sort of majic formula to speech so when I talk I am heard?



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07 Sep 2020, 4:44 am

I hear you, MG. And I feel the exact same way a lot of the time, both here and in real life.



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07 Sep 2020, 4:47 am

It is strange isn't it. What I find even stranger is when I have tried a few times in a group conversation to communicate and each time the same happens, I get fed up and go to leave and they are all upset with me. Why be upset because I am not able to say things that they want to hear?



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07 Sep 2020, 5:46 am

Steve1963 wrote:
I hear you, MG. And I feel the exact same way a lot of the time, both here and in real life.


I too share in this ! !! :?



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07 Sep 2020, 5:56 am

It must have a name! We can name it? What shall we call it?



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07 Sep 2020, 6:27 am

I've observed the phenomena. It was a strange phenomena.
For me it's very apparent, at the same time I get to overcome it in ways I can't exactly understand myself.

So far, it's a form of...
... Lack of timing? (Milliseconds real time timing, give-and-take/turn-taking and overlapped convo 'queue' though, queue isn't the right word for it)

Lack of.. of.. 'Toning'? (Not enough loudness, not enough assertiveness, not enough 'extraversion', not enough 'priority' or at least whatever cues putting a person into spotlight)

Lack of synchronization?? (It may or may not explain the previous two, may or may not involved language skills)

Lack of... Uhh, whatever hierarchy (but this is more about passive odds of being passed the mic on and standing out than an actual skill of psych play and social skill)

????? :skull:
I would've like to know what it was called.


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07 Sep 2020, 6:32 am

Edna3362 wrote:
I've observed the phenomena. It was a strange phenomena.
For me it's very apparent, at the same time I get to overcome it in ways I can't exactly understand myself.

So far, it's a form of...
... Lack of timing? (Milliseconds real time timing, give-and-take/turn-taking and overlapped convo 'queue' though, queue isn't the right word for it)

Lack of.. of.. 'Toning'? (Not enough loudness, not enough assertiveness, not enough 'extraversion', not enough 'priority' or at least whatever cues putting a person into spotlight)

Lack of synchronization?? (It may or may not explain the previous two)

Lack of... Uhh, whatever hierarchy (but this is more about passive odds of being passed the mic on and standing out than an actual skill of psych play and social skill)

????? :skull:
I would've like to know what it was called.


It is puzzling isn't it.

There are those who whatever they say seem to have people wanting to reply or engage in the conversations.
Those who hardly speak but when they do their words are heard.
And then there's me.... :lol:



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07 Sep 2020, 7:27 am

That happens to me most of the time. I call it social invisibility, visible enough that people don’t run into me or anything, but otherwise like I don’t exist. If there is more than one other person present, probably about ninety-five percent of the time I might get a perfunctory greeting, and then the other people take over and basically ignore me if I try to say anything. People who are close friends but barely know me will even tell each other very personal things when I’m right next to them. I compare myself to a fake potted plant - maybe I’m noticed at first, and no one walks into me or tries to sit on me or anything, but otherwise ignored, not even getting any watering like a real plant.



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07 Sep 2020, 7:45 am

Ooh. I have learned lots of things because people say things in front of me assuming I am thick! Haha.



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07 Sep 2020, 5:55 pm

Dear dragons and demons,
You are speaking for me.
You said it very well.
Sigh.


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08 Sep 2020, 8:46 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
I've observed the phenomena. It was a strange phenomena.
For me it's very apparent, at the same time I get to overcome it in ways I can't exactly understand myself.

So far, it's a form of...
... Lack of timing? (Milliseconds real time timing, give-and-take/turn-taking and overlapped convo 'queue' though, queue isn't the right word for it)

Lack of.. of.. 'Toning'? (Not enough loudness, not enough assertiveness, not enough 'extraversion', not enough 'priority' or at least whatever cues putting a person into spotlight)

Lack of synchronization?? (It may or may not explain the previous two)

Lack of... Uhh, whatever hierarchy (but this is more about passive odds of being passed the mic on and standing out than an actual skill of psych play and social skill)

????? :skull:
I would've like to know what it was called.


It is puzzling isn't it.

There are those who whatever they say seem to have people wanting to reply or engage in the conversations.
Those who hardly speak but when they do their words are heard.
And then there's me.... :lol:

Hmm...

There's the cognitive-mechanical like related issues.
Definitely directly from autism, definitely to do with social processing, definitely closer to executive functions.
Seriously, it's like trying to figure how to grab a very delicate invisible string that could easily move elsewhere in less than seconds, all without yanking it too hard or cutting it accidentally... While at least being half blind and clumsy.

And then there's the thoughts from unhealthy states or conditioned minds.
Whether or not it is the case of being ignored, natural or unnatural... The feeling's the same.
Only emotional reprisals or at least some social reasoning seem to work at this area.


It seems I got lucky enough to pierce through the latter to see more about the former.


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08 Sep 2020, 9:02 am

Happens to me all the time, except I rarely do those kinds of social interactions.

People not only don't hear me, they also don't see me. I was once at a party, completely lost and left out. But I was there with a now XH and he was also not paying attention to me. So I went to a quiet room on the house, looking around and found a book and was reading quietly.

Someone came to the door of the room, looked straight at me, and said, "There is no one here so I am going to turn out the light." And she turned out the light and left. This only took about 3 seconds. I was stunned.

At that point, I sighed and walked home.


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08 Sep 2020, 9:10 am

MG, I would like to clarify one thing: You are a popular person here.
I sometimes just have nothing to say on the topic.


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08 Sep 2020, 9:40 am

blazingstar wrote:
Happens to me all the time, except I rarely do those kinds of social interactions.

People not only don't hear me, they also don't see me. I was once at a party, completely lost and left out. But I was there with a now XH and he was also not paying attention to me. So I went to a quiet room on the house, looking around and found a book and was reading quietly.

Someone came to the door of the room, looked straight at me, and said, "There is no one here so I am going to turn out the light." And she turned out the light and left. This only took about 3 seconds. I was stunned.

At that point, I sighed and walked home.

While I understand that it hurts in your case... Being left out when everyone else is enjoying...



... Had I've been in your place, I would've laughed really hard. :oops:
The whole not being noticed in a room alone scene happened to me few times already.


It brought me memories. Good ones.
And I really, really like it.

It takes me to places where I shouldn't supposed to be. :twisted:

Most of my best memories involves being in places where I shouldn't.

VIP seats (that I can never brought), back stages rooms (that I don't have a pass over), restricted areas (that I don't have a permission over), someone's kitchen or study, literally under the tables and podiums...

Making the whole idea of being socially left out way, way less painful for me.


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22 Sep 2020, 12:44 pm

My whole life I never really been here. I've always been in my own world day-dreaming :duh:
I think you mean something else thou MG. I think it may be due to popularity & others being self-centered. Walking off is seen as a sign of disrespect for the speakers. Others don't want to hear you but your all expected to feign an interest & likeness for the others who do speak sense they are higher up on the totem-pole.


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22 Sep 2020, 5:03 pm

This is all so true.


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