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Romofan
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19 Sep 2020, 9:19 am

Are you constitutionally unable to conform to social expectations?

Are you punished because of that?

Do you not fit in, no matter how hard you try?

Have you given up trying?


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19 Sep 2020, 10:21 am

Romofan wrote:
Are you constitutionally unable to conform to social expectations?

I often feeling like I don't even know what societal expectations are, does that count?

Romofan wrote:
Are you punished because of that?

I haven't been beating with sticks for a while, but in more subtle ways, yes

Romofan wrote:
Do you not fit in, no matter how hard you try?

I was born to not fit in, whether I want to or not

Romofan wrote:
Have you given up trying?

What I am trying to give up is wallowing in self pity, trying to be something I'm not and comparing myself to normal folk. That is exhausting and I've gotten too old for that.



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19 Sep 2020, 10:34 am

Absolutely yes, to all of the questions. I've never delt like I truly belong anywhere in my entire life for more than about five minutes until I'm proven wrong. I've long since come to the conclusion that that's never going to change.


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19 Sep 2020, 10:37 am

Yea.


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19 Sep 2020, 10:48 am

Honestly?

This will sound weird cos I'm autistic but no.

I've been out of place twice or maybe 3 times in my life.

One was a poor choice by mum and if my auntie made it for my cousins it would have been a bad choice too and they wouldn't have coped/fit in either.

One was elderly, uneducated, bigoted women.

One I should've fit in and I'm not sure if I did or not was at uni for my MA. I had 'too much' of a personality. Everyone there was dull as a robot.Tbh I resent doing that course cos I got nothing out of it and it didn't suit me in terms of enjoyment without end goal.

I'm an outsider to the wider world. That's why I can't find work. I gave up on it after I got ill. But I've been in 3 schools and one nursery where I wasn't out of place and I wasn't out of place in my first uni and I wasn't out of place in 2 volunteering jobs and I'm not out of place with my family or friends - just picky on the friends front.


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19 Sep 2020, 8:30 pm

While I did felt out of place, occasionally commited social suicides, paid the price, had been in modes of thoughts regarding to it...

It won't matter for me.

I aim to get away with anything regardless of my capability and choice with conformity. :lol:


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19 Sep 2020, 9:56 pm

Yes, felt like that all of my life.

Managed to 'survive' in the world of work for a couple of decades, but crashed and burned out of that and haven't been part of any organization or group ever since.

Never been married, no longer have any connection with family members.

Even feel like an 'outsider' on WP a lot of the time...


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20 Sep 2020, 6:04 am

I had a therapist once ask me to describe myself in one word. I said "outsider".

Unable to conform? Yup.

Am I punished for it? Socially? No idea. I'm one of those 'oblivious to how others see me' types. As far as employment and things like that go, im sure I've not gotten a lot of jobs because my 'weirdness'.

do I not fit in no matter how hard I try? I don't think I try to.

Have I given up trying? I'm not sure if I ever have tried. If I have I don't recall.

I can be standoffish towards people, and usually I'm fine with it. It sucks sometimes though because I have no friends or people I talk to except family. The times I do wish I had someone around, I'm hit with the harsh reality that I have no one and that I chose this and did it to myself.



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20 Sep 2020, 6:08 am

I can fit in if I choose to do so. But it takes a lot of energy and since it's not really 'me' doing it, I usually save it for times when I have no choice but to blend in.



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20 Sep 2020, 9:18 am

Do you find yourself exhausted from constantly editing and censoring yourself, and itching to simply let it all hang out and say whatever it is irregardless?

Do you feel like your presence is never really wanted, barely tolerated?

Even in a 'safe space' like Wrong Planet, do you worry about what you just typed? Do you feel ashamed of it, like it should be erased before people actually see it?

That you will be judged, even excluded if it is understood?


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20 Sep 2020, 5:53 pm

I don't need 'safe spaces'.
If I can't take it, then I can't take it then. Whether or not I know I could, I made a choice. Instead, I'd need smarter ways to know when and where to express.



:lol: Had this been 15 or so years ago, I would've resonated with low self-esteem thoughts such as that.

But I prefer to break cycles, not be stuck in it.

Truthfully, it does feel good to be able to resonate with anyone even just for once. It's a human need, there is no real shame in it.
So you'd inquire if someone just feels the same.

Just so you'd know you're not alone, you're not left behind, you won't feel shamed because you know they won't, and that it's not your fault.
As opposed to the ever repeated answers, from who are, either wouldn't know what it was like or wouldn't know how to respond in ways that works with you.



And sure...
There are always will be opposing forces inside of me and disonating factors out there.
Be silent or be loud, it won't matter. To play safe or reckless, that's my choice.
Come what may, I'd deal with it.


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20 Sep 2020, 6:11 pm

Romofan wrote:
Do you find yourself exhausted from constantly editing and censoring yourself, and itching to simply let it all hang out and say whatever it is irregardless?

Do you feel like your presence is never really wanted, barely tolerated?

Even in a 'safe space' like Wrong Planet, do you worry about what you just typed? Do you feel ashamed of it, like it should be erased before people actually see it?

That you will be judged, even excluded if it is understood?


Personally I accept the idea that many people won't like me or what I have to say but say it anyways because I'd rather argue than self-censor. I generally find arguing with others less tiring than denying how I feel and perceive to myself.

While I'm probably both unwanted and barely tolerated, I'm here and until I'm no longer here everyone else is stuck with me. I'm not ashamed of existing because I didn't choose it, I'm not ashamed of what I think or how I feel because I'm entitled to think and feel that way and I'm not ashamed of being unliked because that was always inevitable and presenting myself dishonestly to delay that realization in some people will only make other people who might be more compatible dislike me instead. Might as well be honest as at least the friends and allies you attract will be drawn towards who you actually are instead of who you're pretending to be.


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20 Sep 2020, 6:47 pm

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Might as well be honest as at least the friends and allies you attract will be drawn towards who you actually are instead of who you're pretending to be.


Qft :thumleft:

As for the other questions. I don't censor myself here. I do (mostly) stay out of threads that make me have a wtf moment though. as for my day to day life, I have my moments. You know those filters that people have in their brains that keep thoughts as thoughts, and make them pause before they speak those thoughts? Mine is broken. :lol: then people have a wtf moment with me.

Do I feel not wanted/tolerated? I dunno. Sometimes I feel invisible though when I'm around people. Not disliked exactly, just not relevant.

Do I worry about what I typed? Nah. So long as I'm not being an a$$, I figure it's all good. I don't think I'll be judged here, more likely I'll be overlooked, so perhaps excluded is fitting, but I don't so much stress it as I simply expect it.



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20 Sep 2020, 8:08 pm

Seriously? Both of your posts could have been lifted telepathically from my thoughts.

I've been thinking so heavily lately about how I've NEVER fit in, or fit in the way others fit in. I'm trying to pinpoint what it is about me that is so off putting. It's especially depressing lately because I thought it was my face or voice but so many people have gone out of their way to show such unkindness to me when I'm wearing a mask or not even speaking yet that it's appalling.

I'm thinking that it's my hair color and I feel like I've been experiencing real prejudice.

I never fit in enough at work and I'm serious when I say people who are sworn enemies unite in friendship against me soon after I start at a new place. I feel like I'm constantly in an invisible battle trying to protect my reputation. I've tried to tell myself its all in my head but I've been in the situation enough times to know its real.

The bad thoughts have been so present the past week that it forced me to come on here as I have in the past for some relief. Never posted before though for reasons you state.

Thank you for making me feel understood.



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20 Sep 2020, 8:21 pm

Welcome to the Wrong Planet, elceenowlab :jester: :heart:


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20 Sep 2020, 9:25 pm

Yeah i've always struggled fitting in.