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12 Feb 2021, 6:06 pm

I still hasn’t gotten it, I don’t know how. ALOT of people got their vaccinations here in my town. I don’t know how to get it on my own, I can’t drive, I can’t walk too long.



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12 Feb 2021, 9:38 pm

I'm apprehensive about getting it too soon due to the side effects, but I rarely go out anyway and when I do I'm very stern about social distancing.



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13 Feb 2021, 12:15 am

I'm getting it as soon as I can.


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13 Feb 2021, 1:37 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I'm getting it as soon as I can.


Me too - which will probably be around September/October maybe.


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13 Feb 2021, 3:13 am

FlaminPika wrote:
I'm apprehensive about getting it too soon due to the side effects, but I rarely go out anyway and when I do I'm very stern about social distancing.
Same here. It would very likely be a while before I'd be able to receive it anyway. I heard my state(Vermont) just started(or getting ready to) lower the age from 70 to 65 & will allow people with chronic health conditions(conditions I don't have) to receive it. They already allowed 1st responders to receive it & people in long-term care facilities. I think we have to sign up for it on some state site. My parents just got the 1st dose of the vaccine a few days ago. They're in Louisiana & the age got lowered to 65 or 60(or maybe 55 I forget the age they said) & they're both 68. Louisiana was getting a big shipment of vaccines so the governor was able to expand access some. My parents registered at different places & got on 3 different lists & they went with the 1st one that called em to schedule.


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13 Feb 2021, 11:11 am

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My parents registered at different places & got on 3 different lists & they went with the 1st one that called em to schedule.


I wonder how many problems this is going to cause. People on lists who don't show up and then maybe vaccine doses get wasted.. unless they just phone the next people to schedule or there's an actual lineup to serve as well. Hopefully as close to zero doses get wasted as possible. Logistical nightmare.. cold temps, quick expiry, gotta dose everyone twice within a certain time frame etc.


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13 Feb 2021, 11:52 am

https://covid19.ca.gov/vaccines/#:~:tex ... %20vaccine.

There's a lot more information on that link, but this quoted section gives a number to call to see if you are ready to get the vaccine and to get an appointment if you live near certain areas. It also says some pharmacies are giving appointments for the vaccine now, so you can call some pharmacies near you.

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Most Californians will be vaccinated at:

Community vaccination sites
Doctor’s offices
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Healthcare workers and individuals 65+ near San Francisco, Los Angeles, or San Diego Counties can book appointments immediately through the myturn.ca.gov site or by calling (833) 422-4255. Online appointment scheduling for other groups and residents of other counties will be available soon. Appointments are also available in Spanish through the myturn.ca.gov site or by calling (833) 422-4255.

Some local health jurisdictions are also providing appointments, registration, and notification services.

CVS and Walgreens pharmacies are now accepting limited appointments for free COVID-19 vaccination in select areas.

Every Californian can sign up at myturn.ca.gov or call (833) 422-4255 to see if it’s their turn to get the COVID-19 vaccine. If you’re not currently eligible, you can sign up to be notified when it’s your turn.



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13 Feb 2021, 1:24 pm

I received my first dose a couple weeks ago. I am 72 years old and when they opened it up for my age bracket, I signed up. In my state, it is a matter of getting on the Internet and setting up an appointment. The problem that I experienced was because I live in the boonies, my internet access is extremely slow. I sat in front of my computer for a half an hour watching a bar go back and forth, back and forth, telling me it was loading. I called the alternate 2-1-1 telephone number only to be put in wait status for 2 hours. In the end my daughter who lives 300 miles away (2 states over) with a fast internet connection registered me on-line in seconds.

Then they dropped the age to the 65 age group so my wife is scheduled to get her first shot next week, right during the middle of a massive snow storm. We will see how that turns out. At least I am running snow tires.

New vaccination centers are opening up which should really make getting a COVID vaccine just like getting the flu shot. This week Kroger's grocery store will be vaccinating people.

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In some States, voluntary groups are forming to help facilitate people with difficulties to arrange and facilitate vaccinations. Some of these volunteers are called "COVID Angels". In Greenburgh about 180 volunteers are using town records to identify seniors. They then call them to check in and offer assistance scheduling a vaccination appointment.

"Some of the calls are really heartbreaking," said Town Supervisor Paul Feiner. "I've had seniors with stage 4 cancer, with brain cancer. I've had seniors who depend on oxygen to breathe, people with MS, cerebral palsy, major medical illnesses and they have not been able to a get the vaccine and we want to help them."

"A lot of seniors just don't know how to get the vaccination appointment," he said. "They've been trying and trying. Some of them have no computers, some of them call the state but there's not enough people who are answering the phones so the state phone lines are not always picked up. Some people who have some computer skills mention that the computers are crashing. They almost had an appointment, they lost it, so people are very frustrated."

Source: 'COVID Angels' help Greenburgh seniors schedule vaccination appointments

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In our case it was neighbors taking care of neighbors. As the vaccination registered opened, we contacted friends and family and made them aware of the opportunity to get vaccinated. We advised them to seek the help of their computer literate children to sign them up for the vaccine. Because of a snowstorm, we took one neighbor in to the vaccination center when her appointment rolled around. And we helped arrange and streamline a vaccination appointment of a person who had COPD and on oxygen.

It is probably a good idea to get the vaccine as soon as you are able. I had a medical emergency last week and went to the hospital. They assumed I had COVID, but I didn't and it took 2 days to get the negative results back, so as a matter of caution, they placed me in the COVID wing of the hospital. Luckily I had my shot the week before so I had a little immunity at that time.


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13 Feb 2021, 8:02 pm

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I wonder how many problems this is going to cause. People on lists who don't show up and then maybe vaccine doses get wasted.. unless they just phone the next people to schedule or there's an actual lineup to serve as well. Hopefully as close to zero doses get wasted as possible. Logistical nightmare.. cold temps, quick expiry, gotta dose everyone twice within a certain time frame etc.
An article was listed when I was on my Firefox homepage just now about a doc getting in trouble for not letting the vaccines get wasted.


The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/h ... ccine.html

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Ten doses of the Covid-19 vaccine would expire within hours, so a Houston doctor gave it to people with medical conditions, including his wife. What followed was “the lowest moment in my life,” Dr. Hasan Gokal said.

The Texas doctor had six hours. Now that a vial of Covid-19 vaccine had been opened on this late December night, he had to find 10 eligible people for its remaining doses before the precious medicine expired. In six hours.

Scrambling, the doctor made house calls and directed people to his home outside Houston. Some were acquaintances; others, strangers. A bed-bound nonagenarian. A woman in her 80s with dementia. A mother with a child who uses a ventilator.

After midnight, and with just minutes before the vaccine became unusable, the doctor, Hasan Gokal, gave the last dose to his wife, who has a pulmonary disease that leaves her short of breath.

For his actions, Dr. Gokal was fired from his government job and then charged with stealing 10 vaccine doses worth a total of $135 — a shun-worthy misdemeanor that sent his name and mug shot rocketing around the globe.

“It was my world coming down,” Dr. Gokal said in a telephone interview on Friday. “To have everything collapse on you. God, it was the lowest moment in my life.”

The matter of Dr. Gokal is playing out as pandemic-weary Americans scour websites and cross state lines chasing rumors, all in anxious pursuit of a medicine in short supply. The case opens wide to interpretation, becoming a study in the learn-as-you-go bioethics of the country’s stumbling vaccine rollout.

Late last month, a judge dismissed the charge as groundless, after which the local district attorney vowed to present the matter to a grand jury. And while prosecutors portray the doctor as a cold opportunist, his lawyer says he acted responsibly — even heroically.

“Everybody was looking at this guy and saying, ‘I got my mother waiting for a vaccine, my grandfather waiting for a vaccine,’” the lawyer, Paul Doyle, said. “They were thinking, ‘This guy is a villain.’”

Dr. Gokal, 48, immigrated from Pakistan as a boy and earned a medical degree at SUNY Upstate Medical University in Syracuse. After working at hospitals in Central New York, he moved to Texas in 2009 to oversee the emergency department at a suburban Houston hospital. His volunteer work has included rebuilding homes and providing medical care after Hurricane Harvey in 2017.

In recent years, Dr. Gokal split his time between two area hospitals. But when the pandemic hit in early 2020, he lived for a month in a hotel and an apartment rather than risk infecting his wife, Maria, 47, who has pulmonary sarcoidosis, a disease in her lungs that leaves her winded after even minimal activity.

“I was petrified to go home and bring Covid to my wife,” he said.

Fortunately, he said, the Harris County Public Health department recruited him in April to become the medical director for its Covid-response team. The job paid less, but he was eager to protect his wife by limiting his exposure to the coronavirus in emergency rooms.

On Dec. 22, Dr. Gokal joined a conference call in which state health officials explained the protocols for administering the recently approved Moderna vaccine. The 10 or 11 doses in a vial are viable for six hours after the seal is punctured.

Dr. Gokal said the advice was to vaccinate people eligible under the 1(a) category (health care workers and residents in long-term-care facilities), then those under the 1(b) category (people over 65 or with a health condition that increases risk of severe Covid-related illness).

After that, he said, the message was: “Just put it in people’s arms. We don’t want any doses to go to waste. Period.”

On Dec. 29, a mild Tuesday, Dr. Gokal arrived before dawn at a park in the Houston suburb of Humble to supervise a vaccination event intended mostly for emergency workers. In part because of minimal publicity, the pace was slow, with no more than 250 doses administered. But this was the county’s first public event, he said. “We knew there would be hiccups.”

Around 6:45 at night, as the event wound down, an eligible person arrived for a shot. A nurse punctured a new vial to administer the vaccine, which activated the six-hour time limit for the 10 remaining doses.

The chances of 10 eligible people suddenly showing up were slim; by now, workers were offsetting the darkness with car headlights. But Dr. Gokal said he was determined not to waste a single dose.

He said he first asked the event’s 20 or so workers, who either refused or had already been vaccinated. The paramedics on site had left, and of the two police officers, one had been vaccinated and the other declined the doctor’s offer.

Dr. Gokal said he called a Harris County public health official in charge of operations to report his plans to find 10 people to receive the remaining doses. He said he was told, simply: OK.

He said he then called another high-ranking colleague whose parents and in-laws were eligible for the vaccine. They weren’t available. The hours were counting down.

The doctor figured that if he returned the open vial to his department’s almost certainly empty office at this late hour, it would go to waste. So as he started the drive to his home in a neighboring county, he said, he called people in his cellphone’s contact list to ask whether they had older relatives or neighbors needing to be immunized.

“No one I was really intimately familiar with,” Dr. Gokal said. “I wasn’t that close to anyone.”

When he reached his home in Sugar Land, waiting outside were a woman in her mid-60s with cardiac issues, and a woman in her early 70s with assorted health problems. He inoculated both.

Eight doses to go.

The doctor got back in his car — his wife insisted on going with him — and drove to a Sugar Land house with four eligible people: a man in his late 60s with health issues; the man’s bed-bound mother, in her 90s; his mother-in-law, in her mid-80s and with severe dementia; and his wife, her mother’s caregiver.

He then drove to the home of a housebound woman in her late 70s and administered the vaccine. “I didn’t know her at all,” he said.

Three doses remained, but three people had agreed to meet the doctor at his home. Two were already waiting: a distant acquaintance in her mid-50s who works at a health clinic’s front desk, and a 40-ish woman he had never met whose child relies on a ventilator.

As midnight approached, Dr. Gokal said, the third would-be recipient called to say that he wouldn’t be coming: too late.

Tired and frustrated, Dr. Gokal said that he turned to his wife, whose pulmonary sarcoidosis made her eligible for the vaccine. “I didn’t intend to give this to you, but in a half-hour I’m going to have to dump this down the toilet,” he recalled telling her. “It’s as simple as that.”

He said his hesitant wife asked whether it was the right thing to do. “It makes perfect sense,” he said he answered. “We don’t want any doses wasted, period.”

With 15 minutes to spare, Dr. Gokal gave his wife the last Moderna dose.

The next morning, he said, he submitted the paperwork for the 10 people he had vaccinated the previous night, including his wife. He said he also informed his supervisor and colleagues of what he had done, and why.

Several days later, the doctor said, that supervisor and the human resources director summoned him to ask whether he had administered 10 doses outside of the scheduled event on Dec. 29. He said he had, in keeping with guidelines not to waste the vaccine — and was promptly fired.

The officials maintained that he had violated protocol and should have returned the remaining doses to the office or thrown them away, the doctor recalled. He also said that one of the officials startled him by questioning the lack of “equity” among those he had vaccinated.

“Are you suggesting that there were too many Indian names in that group?” Dr. Gokal said he asked.

Exactly, he said he was told.

Elizabeth Perez, the director of communications for Harris County Public Health, said the department was unable to comment on its protocols, the Dec. 29 vaccination event or the Gokal case.

On Jan. 21, about two weeks after the doctor’s termination, a friend called to say that a local reporter had just tweeted about him. At that very moment, one of his three children answered the door to bright lights and a thrust microphone. Shaken, the 16-year-old boy closed the door and said, “Dad, there are people out there with cameras.”

This was how Dr. Gokal learned that he had been charged with stealing vaccine doses.

Harris County’s district attorney, Kim Ogg, had just issued a news release that afternoon with the headline: “Fired Harris County Health Doctor Charged With Stealing Vial Of Covid-19 Vaccine.”

It alleged that Dr. Gokal “stole the vial” and disregarded county protocols to ensure that vaccines are not wasted and are administered to eligible people on a waiting list. “He abused his position to place his friends and family in line in front of people who had gone through the lawful process to be there,” Ms. Ogg said.

But Dr. Gokal said that no one from the district attorney’s office had ever contacted him to hear his version of events. And when his lawyer requested copies of the written protocols and waiting list referred to in the complaint, a prosecutor told him by email that there were no written protocols from late December; nor had a written wait list yet been found.

Harris County had received the vaccine faster than anticipated, the email said, and public health officials “immediately jumped from testing to vaccinating.”

As news of his alleged crime spread, Dr. Gokal heard from relatives and friends in Singapore, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan. “Many were calling me for support, telling me, ‘We know you better than that,’” he said. “But there were a lot of people who didn’t call.”

Days later, a criminal court judge, Franklin Bynum, dismissed the case for lack of probable cause.
Franklin Bynum, a criminal court judge, rebuked the district attorney’s office for filing charges against the doctor.

“In the number of words usually taken to describe an allegation of retail shoplifting, the State attempts, for the first time, to criminalize a doctor’s documented administration of vaccine doses during a public health emergency,” he wrote. “The Court emphatically rejects this attempted imposition of the criminal law on the professional decisions of a physician.”

Both the Texas Medical Association and the Harris County Medical Society recently issued a statement of support for physicians like Dr. Gokal who find themselves scrambling “to avoid wasting the vaccine in a punctured vial.”

“It is difficult to understand any justification for charging any well-intentioned physician in this situation with a criminal offense,” the statement said.

Dane Schiller, the district attorney’s director of communications, declined to answer questions about the case. He said in an email that when the matter is presented to a grand jury, “representatives of the community can vote on whether an indictment is warranted.”

Meanwhile, Dr. Gokal said, he continues to pay a price for not wasting a vaccine in a pandemic. His voice broke as he counted the toll.

He lost his job. His wife struggles to sleep. His children are worried. And hospitals have told him not to come back until his case is resolved.

He spends his time volunteering at a nonprofit health clinic for the uninsured, haunted all the while by the realization that no matter what, it will still be out there: the story about that Pakistani doctor in Houston who stole all those vaccines.

“How can I take it back?” that doctor asked.


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13 Feb 2021, 10:17 pm

There’s a thread about that article here:

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13 Feb 2021, 10:48 pm

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There’s a thread about that article here:

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I never check the News & Current Events section. Thanx for letting me know GF :P I'll check it out in the next few days but I may not post in it. This article discussion should be dropped in this thread now. Sorry about the derail guys


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