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18 Dec 2021, 10:35 pm

Yes, I believe the earth is round, but this does not explain gravity.

We know that the difference of speed between the earth and space is around 1000mph.

What if the earth is still and does not, or hardly turns, and everything turns around it at great speed and pushes onto the earth? Would this not explain this force that we call gravity?

The current accepted theory is that the earth spins at great speed of approximately 1000mph.
I have a problem with this. How am I not flung out into space? Why don't I feel constant ultra fast winds all travelling in the same direction like one would expect to see if one was standing on a large rapidly rotating spinning object? Yet we have winds which can go in different directions to what one would expect if the earth spins at such speed. This would be expected if the earth was still and the atmosphere around it turns because the friction effect will mean that the winds next to the earths surface will be far slower and actually will be a bit more mixed in direction.

I believe that space pushes onto the earth, and that when the moon flies past, this interrupts the push on the earth which is what causes the moons effect on the tides... How the moon causes the high tides.

Gravity... Most people do not know what it is. When one asks them they say how it works. They do not say what it is. What if science has it wrong, and I am right in my observations of what I actually see and feel?

Picture this. The earth turns at 1000mph. (Some say 996mph and yet others say 1006mph, so lets round it up as 1000.
Now lets say we fire a cannon ball directly upwards and it takes a full minute until the ball comes back down to the earth. It is heavy so we do not expect it to drift that far with the wind. Now if the earth is spinning, we expect this ball to land around 16.6 miles away and yet we need to wear serious hard hats as the reality is that the ball is likely to come straight back down to where we are.
This indicates that the earth is still and all turns around it.

Ok, We decide to go in a rocket and fly into space, and then come back down to earth. We find that the point where we hit the earths outer atmosphere is the point where we get a massive amount of heat especially when coming back in to the earths atmosphere from outside it. Why? Because the difference in speeds between space and the atmosphere of the earth is where we will find the most heat. As this happens in the earths outer atmosphere, this means that it has to be the earth is still as if it was the earth spinning, then the friction the rocket feels would be right next to the surface of the earth and not way up in the earths outer atmosphere.

If I am right, why then does science push that it is the earth that spins?
Is it because if they admit to this they would also have to admit that God exists because the earth will fit into the Biblical description of the earth being at the centre of the universe and everything was created around it? If this is true, then science is doing a great job in decieving so many people.Maybe science is right?


Is this theory or is it fact. Most of you will say theory, but what I want is for you to think how things are without the need for others to think for you and you merely reciting what others have said in the past.

You do not need to research on the internet to observe things. Just go outside and watch and see what you can see. Forget past theories. Just stand there and look and observe.

And while you stand there gazing at the stars, Happy Christmas!



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18 Dec 2021, 11:11 pm

That was all fantasy, not theory.

If you want the truth, then take some science classes.



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19 Dec 2021, 6:18 am

You seem to have forgotten a lot of your high school, and even junior high, science, and geography.



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19 Dec 2021, 7:52 am

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You seem to have forgotten a lot of your high school, and even junior high, science, and geography.


Nope. I relearned it because science did not add up to what I see with my eyes.

Science is about observing and watching. It is about monitoring to see how things behave.



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19 Dec 2021, 11:51 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
You seem to have forgotten a lot of your high school, and even junior high, science, and geography.
Nope. I relearned it because science did not add up to what I see with my eyes.
How cute. Have your measurements been verified? Have you even made any measurements?
Mountain Goat wrote:
Science is about observing and watching. It is about monitoring to see how things behave.
Science is also self-correcting — something which you seem to have forgotten or ignored.

Your fantasies are irrelevant.



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19 Dec 2021, 2:57 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
You seem to have forgotten a lot of your high school, and even junior high, science, and geography.


Nope. I relearned it
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No. You have forgotten a lot of basic stuff. The quandaries you raised were all already answered by your middle school teachers, a long time ago.

Too many list in your one post. But I will take one example. You forgot conservation of momentum.

If something is moving forward, it keeps on moving forward, even if its suddenly shot straight up into the sky because (as Newton said) an object in motion remains in motion until acted up by some equal and opposite force.

Thats why the cannonball doesnt land to the west of the cannon that shot it straight up into the air.

You and your cannon are sitting on the earth's surface at the equator (the only place were the earth spins at all of a thousand mph). You drop the cannonball into the cannon which is aimed straight up, and shoot. If the cannonball had a mind and decided that "I will stop moving forward and only move up" then yes...it would rise, stop and fall down, while the earth spun west to east below it and it would land some distance to the west of you and your cannon. But cannonballs cant make decisions like that. Being a dumb lump of iron a cannonball will retain the same velocity it had when when you loaded it into the cannon. So when its shooting straight up it will continue to move the same speed forward, and in the same direction, as you, the "stationary cannon" and the spot of the earth you're standing on while the ball also moves upward. So the cannon ball will just remain directly above you and the cannon, and will fall back down to the same spot because its moving west at the same speed and direction that the earth is spinning. Being shot straight up doesnt stop its forward momentum.



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22 Dec 2021, 7:11 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
Yes, I believe the earth is round, but this does not explain gravity.

We know that the difference of speed between the earth and space is around 1000mph.


Miles per hour is a measure of velocity, not rotation. Try rotating at one revolution per 24 hours and see if it causes you to go flying into space.


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22 Dec 2021, 11:17 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Yes, I believe the earth is round, but this does not explain gravity.

We know that the difference of speed between the earth and space is around 1000mph.


Miles per hour is a measure of velocity, not rotation. Try rotating at one revolution per 24 hours and see if it causes you to go flying into space.


Yes, but he is confused precisely because what he said does contain a grain of half understood truth.

The Earth is 25 thousand miles in diameter. So if you're standing on the Equator you move around the Earth's axis of spin 25 thousand miles every 24 hours in a day. Ergo you would indeed be moving at a hair more than a 1000 mph. But thats only at the equator. If you're standing on either pole you would just pivot around like a statue on a slow lazy susan one revolution per day because you're right at the axis of spin. Like an inch per hour. Basically zero mph. :lol:

Your speed varies between a thousand and zero depending upon what latitude you live on between the poles and the Equator. Wales (where the OP lives) is about halfway. So he moves roughly five hundred miles an hour. Folks in the tropics would move faster. Escape velocity from the Earth's gravity is 25 thousand mph. So folks on the equator are already moving at four percent of escape velocity.

Thats why nations that have space programs try to launch their rockets as close to the Equator as they can, and why the US choose Cape Canavaral in Florida ( and not some place in Montana) to build its space infrastructure. You do in fact get a little kick to your rockets in the tropical latitudes from the fast spin of the earth the farther south you go in the northern hemisphere.



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23 Dec 2021, 3:22 am

Most of the people who say we're spinning at "a thousand miles per hour" don't live at the equator.


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23 Dec 2021, 4:43 am

Hardly anyone can live at the equator because according to the global warming theory, one would fry as it is far too hot without the constant application of sun cream which can only be obtained from certain big pharma industries which also sell all the other medication they say people will need to be able to do it.
Before global warming whole civilizations could live there without the support of the big pharma and horticulteral industries it seems...

I have never been abroad but I do watch TV and have listened to the news warning us about how hot things have become these days. It has not effected where I live as it is about the same here. If anything, most years seem cooler then when I grew up some 40 years ago as we used to get heatwave hot summers which are rare now.

Also what they don't tell you is that when one watches TV they make it look like people are absailing on ropes when they are in the regions of the equator but in fact these ropes prevent people from flying off into space!

A similar effect is found where there is no gravity at all in the north and south poles as the earth is hardly spinning there so people have to use ice picks to prevent themselves from floating off into space... And this is the real reason why they are really concerned about global warming because if the ice melts, they have nothing to use the ice picks on so they won't be able to go to those places.



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23 Dec 2021, 8:53 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
Hardly anyone can live at the equator because according to the global warming theory, one would fry as it is far too hot without the constant application of sun cream which can only be obtained from certain big pharma industries which also sell all the other medication they say people will need to be able to do it.
Before global warming whole civilizations could live there without the support of the big pharma and horticulteral industries it seems...

I have never been abroad but I do watch TV and have listened to the news warning us about how hot things have become these days. It has not effected where I live as it is about the same here. If anything, most years seem cooler then when I grew up some 40 years ago as we used to get heatwave hot summers which are rare now.

Also what they don't tell you is that when one watches TV they make it look like people are absailing on ropes when they are in the regions of the equator but in fact these ropes prevent people from flying off into space!

A similar effect is found where there is no gravity at all in the north and south poles as the earth is hardly spinning there so people have to use ice picks to prevent themselves from floating off into space... And this is the real reason why they are really concerned about global warming because if the ice melts, they have nothing to use the ice picks on so they won't be able to go to those places.


Ummm...

Is this an attempt at humor?

Or

Is this an attempt at being serious?

Either way you need SOME logic. :lol: :)

Assuming that you're attempting humor through exaggeration...

You would need to be "held by ropes" to keep from flying into space at the Equator where the earth spins fastest- and fights against gravity the most. That parts ok. But at the Poles you would be even MORE effected by gravity then in the mid latitudes where you and I live. Thats because at the Poles the spin is the slowest. Ergo at the Poles you tend to fall through the ice and get sucked into the ground. Not the opposite problem of being thrown into space.



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23 Dec 2021, 9:24 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Hardly anyone can live at the equator because according to the global warming theory, one would fry as it is far too hot without the constant application of sun cream which can only be obtained from certain big pharma industries which also sell all the other medication they say people will need to be able to do it.
Before global warming whole civilizations could live there without the support of the big pharma and horticulteral industries it seems...

I have never been abroad but I do watch TV and have listened to the news warning us about how hot things have become these days. It has not effected where I live as it is about the same here. If anything, most years seem cooler then when I grew up some 40 years ago as we used to get heatwave hot summers which are rare now.

Also what they don't tell you is that when one watches TV they make it look like people are absailing on ropes when they are in the regions of the equator but in fact these ropes prevent people from flying off into space!

A similar effect is found where there is no gravity at all in the north and south poles as the earth is hardly spinning there so people have to use ice picks to prevent themselves from floating off into space... And this is the real reason why they are really concerned about global warming because if the ice melts, they have nothing to use the ice picks on so they won't be able to go to those places.


Ummm...

Is this an attempt at humor?

Or

Is this an attempt at being serious?

Either way you need SOME logic. :lol: :)

Assuming that you're attempting humor through exaggeration...

You would need to be "held by ropes" to keep from flying into space at the Equator where the earth spins fastest- and fights against gravity the most. That parts ok. But at the Poles you would be even MORE effected by gravity then in the mid latitudes where you and I live. Thats because at the Poles the spin is the slowest. Ergo at the Poles you tend to fall through the ice and get sucked into the ground. Not the opposite problem of being thrown into space.


Nooo. If the earth spinning causes gravity then at the poles there is no gravity, but at the equator, though the gravity is at its strongest, the centeafugal forces are way stronger. It is why people living near the equator tend to be tall and thin as they stretch more with the central fugal force and yet their feet feel the gravitational force....
While those near the north or south poles tend to be short and stocky so they have very little central fugal force to stretch them, which is why their igloos do not need to be that tall...



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23 Dec 2021, 9:34 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Hardly anyone can live at the equator because according to the global warming theory, one would fry as it is far too hot without the constant application of sun cream which can only be obtained from certain big pharma industries which also sell all the other medication they say people will need to be able to do it.
Before global warming whole civilizations could live there without the support of the big pharma and horticulteral industries it seems...

I have never been abroad but I do watch TV and have listened to the news warning us about how hot things have become these days. It has not effected where I live as it is about the same here. If anything, most years seem cooler then when I grew up some 40 years ago as we used to get heatwave hot summers which are rare now.

Also what they don't tell you is that when one watches TV they make it look like people are absailing on ropes when they are in the regions of the equator but in fact these ropes prevent people from flying off into space!

A similar effect is found where there is no gravity at all in the north and south poles as the earth is hardly spinning there so people have to use ice picks to prevent themselves from floating off into space... And this is the real reason why they are really concerned about global warming because if the ice melts, they have nothing to use the ice picks on so they won't be able to go to those places.


Ummm...

Is this an attempt at humor?

Or

Is this an attempt at being serious?

Either way you need SOME logic. :lol: :)

Assuming that you're attempting humor through exaggeration...

You would need to be "held by ropes" to keep from flying into space at the Equator where the earth spins fastest- and fights against gravity the most. That parts ok. But at the Poles you would be even MORE effected by gravity then in the mid latitudes where you and I live. Thats because at the Poles the spin is the slowest. Ergo at the Poles you tend to fall through the ice and get sucked into the ground. Not the opposite problem of being thrown into space.


Nooo. If the earth spinning causes gravity then at the poles there is no gravity, but at the equator, though the gravity is at its strongest, the centeafugal forces are way stronger. It is why people living near the equator tend to be tall and thin as they stretch more with the central fugal force and yet their feet feel the gravitational force....
While those near the north or south poles tend to be short and stocky so they have very little central fugal force to stretch them, which is why their igloos do not need to be that tall...


I didnt say "earth spinning causes gravity". I said the opposite.



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23 Dec 2021, 9:36 am

Oh noo. We need to fix handles on the earth quick!
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23 Dec 2021, 9:46 am

There is no such thing as gravity. Earth sucks.



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23 Dec 2021, 10:26 am

Or maybe it is invisibly sticky? Velcro?