Maria and Mario. Why do they sound so different?

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03 Jun 2023, 1:00 pm

Why do the female name "Maria" and the male name "Mario" that differ by just the last letter sound so different?

"Maria" = "ma REE a"

"Mario" = "MAR e o"



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03 Jun 2023, 1:27 pm

'Tis odd, for sure.


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03 Jun 2023, 4:38 pm

The English Maria is MAR - ia

Just like Mario.


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03 Jun 2023, 4:53 pm

BUT BUT BUT...if you put the emPHAsis on the middle syLABble...you hear...music playing!! !! !!

And if you say it softly it feels like praying!

Thats why ...no one ever grows tired of hearing...mar EE ahhhhh!! !! :D



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03 Jun 2023, 5:22 pm

According to 2 different people on Reddit:
"But in English, we often change unstressed vowels into the shwa (uh) sound"

Apparently people on the east coast (US I assume) say Mary-OH

I give up.


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03 Jun 2023, 5:36 pm

The race car driver was called Mary-oh Andretti.

But folks generally call the game "super MARR-ee-oh"



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03 Jun 2023, 7:28 pm

Sonic200 wrote:
... and the male name "Mario" that differ by just the last letter sound so different?


Even before dealing with the differences between Maria and Mario we need to deal with the fact that Mario, Mario, and Mario, have zero letters different and yet Mario, Mario, and Mario, are not pronounced the same:
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20220604-13100/

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In order to finally settle the debate about which pronunciation is correct, Thomas borrowed the expertise of linguist Yoïn van Spijk. Yoïn provided a very interesting view on the topic. He claims that both the American and British pronunciations of the name differ from the original Italian, which lies somewhere in between the two.

Mario’s well-known voice actor, Charles Martinet, is American, but after analyzing the Martinet’s famous “It’s-a me, Mario!” line, Yoïn concluded that he pronounces it the Italian way. In other words, the faithful way to pronounce it would be in Italian, which is [’mäː.ɾjo].

The Italian [äː] sound is similar to the British [a], but is elongated, a characteristic that is shared with the American [ɑː]. That means that both pronunciations have points in common with the Italian, but also points where they differ. If you can say that the Italian pronunciation is correct, then that means the American and British pronunciations are both incorrect.

This unique situation may be a consequence born from English itself. Japanese, German, Dutch, Spanish, and Portuguese all generally use a similar “a” sound to Italian, represented by the phonetic symbols [ä] or [äː], while French uses the “a” pronunciation found in British English. That is to say, when English speakers hear the famous “It’s-a me, Mario!” they likely interpret the sounds differently depending on whether they are speakers of American or British English.


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English is used in many different places around the world, and in each area, the language develops independently while also continuing to share similarities. Whether “MAR-io” or “Marry-oh” is correct is a question that has emerged from a unique situation and provides an interesting example of how languages develop.


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03 Jun 2023, 8:57 pm

This is also the female name "Mariah" pronounced "ma RYE a" which is related to "Maria".



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04 Jun 2023, 3:02 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Sonic200 wrote:
... and the male name "Mario" that differ by just the last letter sound so different?


Even before dealing with the differences between Maria and Mario we need to deal with the fact that Mario, Mario, and Mario, have zero letters different and yet Mario, Mario, and Mario, are not pronounced the same:
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20220604-13100/

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In order to finally settle the debate about which pronunciation is correct, Thomas borrowed the expertise of linguist Yoïn van Spijk. Yoïn provided a very interesting view on the topic. He claims that both the American and British pronunciations of the name differ from the original Italian, which lies somewhere in between the two.

Mario’s well-known voice actor, Charles Martinet, is American, but after analyzing the Martinet’s famous “It’s-a me, Mario!” line, Yoïn concluded that he pronounces it the Italian way. In other words, the faithful way to pronounce it would be in Italian, which is [’mäː.ɾjo].

The Italian [äː] sound is similar to the British [a], but is elongated, a characteristic that is shared with the American [ɑː]. That means that both pronunciations have points in common with the Italian, but also points where they differ. If you can say that the Italian pronunciation is correct, then that means the American and British pronunciations are both incorrect.

This unique situation may be a consequence born from English itself. Japanese, German, Dutch, Spanish, and Portuguese all generally use a similar “a” sound to Italian, represented by the phonetic symbols [ä] or [äː], while French uses the “a” pronunciation found in British English. That is to say, when English speakers hear the famous “It’s-a me, Mario!” they likely interpret the sounds differently depending on whether they are speakers of American or British English.


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English is used in many different places around the world, and in each area, the language develops independently while also continuing to share similarities. Whether “MAR-io” or “Marry-oh” is correct is a question that has emerged from a unique situation and provides an interesting example of how languages develop.

The correct pronunciation is Mario.



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04 Jun 2023, 3:09 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
The correct pronunciation is Mario.


Thank you for bringing this utterly contentious issue to a close.

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