Covid Vaccines

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Do they really work? They say that if people get them, they won’t get it too bad or they won’t go to the hospital, but people can get worse, they can go to the hospital too. I been reading alot of people getting it, it been in the news alot. My sister been getting Covid alot, she lives with her son & I think she lives with her boyfriend. I also read masks are back. Do people need to clean groceries again? Do they need clean like pill bottles & other stuff they buy?

I haven't been keeping up on new strains.

The vaccines have been statistically proven to lessen severity of symptoms/hospitalization rates. The newer straints of covid seem to be weaker, so even unvaccinated people aren't likely to get as sick as in the early days. But vaccines still help.

I got 3 shots. I think my parents got 6. Before cold & flu season ramps up I might go get another one as a booster for newer strains.

I don't think we'll need to go back to cleaning groceries. We were doing that back when we didn't know how long it could live on surfaces and if it could easily transmit like that. It's Possible to get it from touching something, but very unlikely.. same as getting it through your eyes - possible - but not that probable. IF someone was going to get it from touching something it would be a high touch surface in a public area like a stair rail at a train station or something. Basically, just wash your hands and don't touch your face. Wash your hands before eating.

I've seen a few people still wearing masks but literally only a handful. I assume they have Zero immune system Or live with someone who is severely immunocompromised. There's no mask advisory or mandate here and everyday life went back to normal many months ago. I haven't heard anything on local radio stations about any concerns about covid getting worse again. It's weaker now.. basically just going to be a cold for most people who get it, and might still kill a few very old people like other colds and flus do - that's what happens to a Lot of very old people.. they catch a simple cold and that's the end of them because at ~95 years old their immune system is so run down they can't fight off a simple cold virus anymore.

Basically, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

We need honest Medicine.....not profiteering...medical corporations .....Its not really the vaccine that is the problem. Its the virus.....The Flu is a strain of Covid type virus ...Money and control , and creating fear and anxiety is the people and desperate reliance on the "Gov." for info and supposedly directing the vaccines . And I durn near died from the stuff in a hospital and i recognize it to be a flu virus ...and in reality was the compromised immune function
that brought on the triple pnuemonia . And then was told it ,the pnuemonia was a mersa infection in my lungs ..
meaning mersa has no known antibiotics that fight it. So what nearly did me in ? Took awhile to get more fully healed. But seems I did .Flu..flu..flu.. covid virus! take same precautions as flu, i believe. And especially take care of yourself , as soon as you feel symptoms.. That works .Somebodies making an awful lot of money off a flu virus,
Off peoples fears and their healthcare money . And no am not a anti-masker either . But never got a vaccine shot either .And noone even suggested it while i was in there.
btw. they used a weekand 1/2 of IV vancomyicen.( And I literally refused intubation).Several times aday.During that time and almost literally threw me outta the Newly Owned Corporate Hospital after almost two weeks . Was Dizzy when they released me.
3 weeks at home for my own follow up care. Have met a few docs personally that share same opinion about it being just one more flu strain . But they made no extra money from it.

No, Jakki, the flu viruses are NOT a sub-type of corona viruses, because the flu virus has been infecting humans for millenia.  Evidence for the first influenza epidemic places it at around 6,000 BC.  The coronavirus we know as COVID-19 was first classified in 2019, more than 8,000 years later.

Influenza viruses comprise four species. Each of the four species is the sole member of its own genus, and the four influenza genera comprise four of the seven genera in the family Orthomyxoviridae.  Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a contagious disease caused by the virus SARS-CoV-2.  SARS‑CoV‑2 is a virus of the species severe acute respiratory syndrome–related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV), related to the SARS-CoV-1 virus that caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak.  Despite its close relation to SARS-CoV-1, its closest known relatives, with which it forms a sister group, are the derived SARS viruses BANAL-52 and RaTG13.

Please check your facts before spreading FUD.

I've had four shots and haven't gotten it yet.
I will wear a mask if I'm going to be in a waiting room with other people for hours.
A good example is having the brakes on my car fixed. That is a lot of potential exposure to the virus.

The variants circulating now are weaker but are very contagious. In addition most people have some immunity because they have been vaccinated or have had COVID or both. That said immunity weakens faster with COVID then with other diseases.

It is difficult to track what is going because data collection is a lot less then what it was. What can be said for certain is that death and hospitalization rates have been going up but are far less than what they were at the height of the pandemic. It should be noted that death and hospitalization rates are lagging indicators. While COVID is a lot less severe then it was it is still hospitalizing and killing more people than the flu. Although less than before there are still new cases of Long COVID.

As mentioned the mandated mitigation measures have been dropped in most places a long time ago, the vast majority of people are not masking, and the rate of people getting boosters has plunged. A handful of hospitals and companies have reintroduced mask mandates on a short term basis(a week to 10 days). Same situation with schools and remote learning. Usually in response to an outbreak in their facility.

Opinion=mine:
No matter bad how this or another diseased gets I do not expect a return to widespread long term mask mandates or lockdowns. I would expect that if the government tries to reimpose mitigation measures most people won’t abide by them. Besides the politicalization of the issue
there are so many people still dealing with mental health issues and kids behind where they should be so there will be an extreme reluctance to do it again. And the natural inclination with most people is to not want to stand out.

The bottom line is we are on our own and operation somewhat blind. I would advise for now that if you are 65 or older or have chronic condition or a just a person who seems to catch everything or live or work with such people you mask up in indoor public places especially crowded ones and keep up with boosters. Even if you are healthy and I would still get a booster once a year during the late fall.

Personally I stopped masking for several months when the rates were minuscule but have been masking up for the last two months or so. I have kept up with my boosters every six months or so and plan getting the RSV, Flu, and COVID booster shots because I am turning 66 this month and am a cancer survivor.

There is some sort of risk of getting harassed if you wear a mask, people looking at you funny, pointing at you, telling you to take that diaper off your face, wuss etc. I have read conflicting antidotal reports about this. This issue is so politicized it is impossible to guess how widespread this is. My guess is not so much but it is conceivable that in some “red” locales the risk is not negligible. I also think if you are noticeably older even the most virulent anti maskers will take into account your higher risk but that is a pure guess. I was very self conscious when I first started masking again but a lot of that has gone away.

I forgot about that. Afaik, all hospitals/clinics/medical facilities still require/request masks be worn here. They hand masks out at the entrance to St. Paul's hospital in Vancouver. Blood testing places still have signs up requesting people wear masks, I Think - but can't recall if it's still mandatory. Outpatient places still request/require it but I dunno if anyone says anything if you don't mask up. But yeah, everywhere else is back to normal Except for hospitals/medical places - which kinda makes sense even in regular times.. sick people go there; keep your germies to yourself and don't infect other patients or staff.

Fnord : The coronavirus we know as COVID-19 was first classified in 2019, more than 8,000 years later

Would have Thanked you for updating my knowledge base Fnord until you added that sh-t at the end About spreading FUD ..? Notice in each reference you made here about varying species of Virus, Did you miss that you wrote Covid
( COV )in the names of documenting a number of these sub species ? . Guess it might take someone who doesn-t write the intended intials FUD . To understand what they just posted.
Even on some occassions might appreciate concepts of possible disinformation over spreading "dissent" or hate amongst people on WP .
Your references seem to be Gov authorized Propaganda ( very possibly)! """My references are obviously personal
experience and based on Real life ,ER room doctors privately """. Whom might not support Gov Propaganda...
You might go with Real Life stuff . Over your stuff from the internet only ?
Limited insights from a limited mind ? Depending on your Engineering background might not qualify you as a bio-research/ warfare engineer . Cov = Covid . Despite the obvious technological info you presented.
Governments around the world have been using "infectious disease" process to build bio-warfare components .
For many decades!
Here is your filmsy reference that has been used for my reference of above statement" Lyme and the S.S. Elbe"
and its numerous and documentable ,freedom of Info Act citations,

"There are More things in Heaven and earth ,Horatio , than are thought of in your Philosophy ."

you wrote f nord:"The coronavirus we know as COVID-19 was first classified in 2019, more than 8,000 years later."
might consider the reference could be what is seemingly regularily socially called the " FLU" ???. deductive reasoning.
( Sorry Everyone if i bought into this clickbait in a Thread)

Seems you've bought into something else entirely.

Calling covid the same as influenza because they both tend to cause moderate respiratory infections is like insisting alligators and cats are the same because they both have four legs, can be kept as pets and eat meat.

Yes, they're superficially similar but that doesn't mean they're closely related.

Yes we do need that. Sick and injured people are not an opportunity to make profit.

Ummm, actually, yes they are.. have you not noticed that even very wealthy people are willing to part with exorbitant amounts of money for treatments, procedures, and medications that will extend their lifespans?

It's quite possibly the largest potential pool of people to profit from because people will liquidate their fortunes in order to stay alive.

This is me personally:
!-Not telling anyone what not to do or to do-! :

With me I have never had a flu shot and I didn't have the covid shot. My health insurance in California was push for me to have the shot and I didn't want it. I hated wearing the normal throw away masks I got a Neck Gaiter

I went through having covid I think the Delta version about 2 years back it was 2 weeks of sickness it was rough, if I was to get the covid shot the two week I went through it would be wasted because it will erase the immunity that my body earned fighting the virus. While the shot may give you the spike protein, my body had to learn the virus to fight it.

COVID-19 is not the only airborne virus and even if you aren't at high risk those around you might be.

We've gotten six COVID vaccine shots and are hoping to get the seventh one within a few weeks (we tried to get it yesterday but they didn't have the updated vaccines, yet). We do go out more than we did early in the Pandemic and we see fewer masks on people than we used to. Personally, I think masking in pubic is still a good idea, even if there were no COVID! When I leave home I choose to wear a mask...except when I expect to stay in the car and just drop something in a roadside mailbox without getting out of the car. I find that putting it on and leaving it on is easier and more comfortable than messing with it.

Of course I remove the mask when I dine out. I've only forgotten to remove the mask a few times.

I pitied the poor fools who tried to travel to/from other countries during the pandemic, but were either refused entry or were sent to quarantine because they could show no record of having received any COVID-19 vaccines.  This happened more than once, and in more than one country.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Honestly, cleaning groceries and etc was overkill. Like, yeah, there's a chance of droplet contamination on items you buy at the store, but as a respiratory infection, it's inhaled droplets that are the most risky. If you're worried about surface contamination, washing/hand sanitizer will do the trick.

As far as vaccines go, as far as I'm aware, the seasonal COVID vax is going to be as effective as any seasonal flu shot would be for flu. Sometimes they can anticipate the baddie of the year, and all is well. Sometimes a secondary strain rages on and the vaccine isn't as effective. Personal opinion? I'd rather get it and have some protection than not and have no protection at all.

Side note: If you've had one strain, that does not give you immunity to the other strains. I knew quite a few people to get Delta, just to get hit with Omicron a couple of months later.