Autistic 13 year old girl hit by car in front of my house

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ChristinaCSB
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09 Sep 2008, 1:08 am

I did not see this happen as I was not home but when I got home they had the road blocked off by police. She did not die and was conscious and very upset, more upset about her bike than herself being hurt. I guess she was only a little verbal so she must have been more severely autistic. I guess the person was doing a bad job watching her so she went in the street on her bike, sad.



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09 Sep 2008, 6:45 am

You seem to automatically blame the carer at that time? I find this fascinating in itself. You are coming to a conclusion without any proof or evidence. It's not possible to watch any child of any age ALL the time. The driver of the car may have not been concentrating, got distracted or been speeding. There could be another factor.



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09 Sep 2008, 7:25 am

Accidents happen - good she wasn`t killed
or badly injured, cars are hard.



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09 Sep 2008, 2:58 pm

Keith wrote:
You seem to automatically blame the carer at that time? I find this fascinating in itself. You are coming to a conclusion without any proof or evidence. It's not possible to watch any child of any age ALL the time. The driver of the car may have not been concentrating, got distracted or been speeding. There could be another factor.


Lord christ all I am saying is she she should not have been riding her bike alone.



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09 Sep 2008, 3:38 pm

I am sorry that happened. :cry:


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09 Sep 2008, 4:24 pm

ChristinaCSB wrote:
I did not see this happen as I was not home but when I got home they had the road blocked off by police. She did not die and was conscious and very upset, more upset about her bike than herself being hurt. I guess she was only a little verbal so she must have been more severely autistic. I guess the person was doing a bad job watching her so she went in the street on her bike, sad.



How would you know that she was more upset about her bike than being hurt if she was only a little verbal? Seems to me that if they can determine that she's more HFA and therefore may be capable of riding her bike alone


Then there is also more to this story than you have told. For example, did the girl ride in front of the car, or did the car swerve into the sidewalk? From your account we don't know whether the girl was even a little bit responsible for the accident


My sisters friend had a 10 year old NT girl run in front of his car and he couldn't stop in time. She got up, ran in her house, and hid when he tried to find if she was hurt.


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09 Sep 2008, 4:58 pm

Triangler Trees I didnt see this girl, the person who helped her at the scene which was my neighbor said she couldn't really understand her but could tell she was very upset about the bike.



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09 Sep 2008, 5:05 pm

Keith wrote:
You seem to automatically blame the carer at that time? I find this fascinating in itself. You are coming to a conclusion without any proof or evidence. It's not possible to watch any child of any age ALL the time. The driver of the car may have not been concentrating, got distracted or been speeding. There could be another factor.

The care-giver is at fault for allowing the girl to leave her supervision.

The girl is at fault for leaving the supervision of her caregiver, AND for riding her bike in the street.

The driver is at fault for hitting the girl.

And, yes, it is possible to watch a child all of the time; but then, I'm only a parent, so what the Hell do I know?



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09 Sep 2008, 5:11 pm

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Keith wrote:
You seem to automatically blame the carer at that time? I find this fascinating in itself. You are coming to a conclusion without any proof or evidence. It's not possible to watch any child of any age ALL the time. The driver of the car may have not been concentrating, got distracted or been speeding. There could be another factor.

The care-giver is at fault for allowing the girl to leave her supervision.

The girl is at fault for leaving the supervision of her caregiver, AND for riding her bike in the street.

The driver is at fault for hitting the girl.

And, yes, it is possible to watch a child all of the time; but then, I'm only a parent, so what the Hell do I know?


You shut your child in the bathroom with you every time you need to use the toilet and stay in there with hir when zhe needs to use the toilet or take a bath and would do so even if zhe was 13? 8O


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09 Sep 2008, 5:14 pm

Triangular_Trees wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Keith wrote:
You seem to automatically blame the carer at that time? I find this fascinating in itself. You are coming to a conclusion without any proof or evidence. It's not possible to watch any child of any age ALL the time. The driver of the car may have not been concentrating, got distracted or been speeding. There could be another factor.

The care-giver is at fault for allowing the girl to leave her supervision.

The girl is at fault for leaving the supervision of her caregiver, AND for riding her bike in the street.

The driver is at fault for hitting the girl.

And, yes, it is possible to watch a child all of the time; but then, I'm only a parent, so what the Hell do I know?


You shut your child in the bathroom with you ever time you need to use the toilet then and would do so even if zhe was 13? 8O

Don't be absurd! There's this thing called 'Double-Teaming' where two or more adults watch one or more kids.

Or maybe you just 'hold it' until the parents come home.

It can be done.



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09 Sep 2008, 5:18 pm

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Don't be absurd! There's this thing called 'Double-Teaming' where two or more adults watch one or more kids.



That requires having two or more adults. Many families are single parent or one parent needs to work for 8-12 hours a day or take business trips

So do you also require your teenage daughter to hold it until a female adult can go into the restroom with her so that she can be watched at all times? That seems rather cruel.

Though even that wouldn't prevent needless accidents - I saw a toddler dump scalding coffee over her body in a room with two adults and two older children. (i was about 10 at the time)


If truly never glance away from your child for even a second and have even found a way to watch her in the bathroom without violating her privacy, than you'd be famous for this technique. What shows have you been on? because I don't recall ever hearing or seeing about you before


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09 Sep 2008, 5:47 pm

Get over yourself. There's nothing wrong with having two adults watching one 'special needs' child, nor is there anything wrong with a same-gender adult being present in the bathroom with a 'special needs' child. Even different-gender parents of 'special needs' children often find it necessary to assist the child in the bathroom. There is nothing unusual or immoral about it. Any parent ... any good parent ... does whatever needs to be done for the health, safety, and comfort of their children.

Only bad parents would ever do otherwise.



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09 Sep 2008, 5:50 pm

Why don't you get over yourself. You saw no need to assist your child in the bathroom until it was pointed out that you couldn't be watching a child all the time unless you were also in the bathroom with her each and every time.

We are talking about a 13 year girl who is able to ride a bike here. And you think there is something wrong with her caretakers because theydidn't have a hand on her shoulder the entire time she was riding her bike and that she should be escorted to the bathroom? imo if she's capable of riding a bike she's certainly capable of not being within an arms reach of an adult at every second of her life, Its not like there is anything in this thread that indicates this girl is even remotely disabled to the point of needing to be watched every second now that she's 13. And yet you feel a need to criticize her caregivers because she was engaging in the independence that most every 13 year old is given today rather than being coddled like a baby who can't tie her shoes or feed herself

No good parent would be walking into the bathroom every time their 13 year old daughter, who is capable of riding a bike on her own, has to use the toilet or take a bath. And that my friend, is why no good parent, will ever watch their child at all times even if it were possible for them to leave the room, get something out of a shelf, put clothes in the washer, sneeze etc without looking away from the child. The skills need to ride a two-wheel bike are quite a lot more complex than the skills needed to use the toilet and wash up properly afterwards


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09 Sep 2008, 6:01 pm

there's no way to even know if she;s speech impaired just from that,because it is common for even fully verbal autists to become non verbal or speech impaired during accidents/emergencies/unpredictable events.

she might not be,.....but she could be what is known as a 'runner' [this gets changed to 'absconder' when become adult] escaping easily,she may not have even had any danger awareness...who knows apart from them.
just isnt something can judge unless know them.


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09 Sep 2008, 6:02 pm

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Why don't you get over yourself. You saw no need to assist your child in the bathroom until it was pointed out that you couldn't be watching a child all the time unless you were also in the bathroom with her each and every time.

We are talking about a 13 year girl who is able to ride a bike here. And you think there is something wrong with her caretakers because they didn't have a hand on her shoulder the entire time she was riding her bike and that she should be escorted to the bathroom? imo if she's capable of riding a bike she's certainly capable of not being within an arms reach of an adult at every second of her life, Its not like there is anything in this thread that indicates this girl is even remotely disabled to the point of needing to be watched every second now that she's 13

YOU brought up bathrooms, kid.

If she's not capable of riding her bike safely, then she should either not have a bike to ride on, or she should be supervised while riding the bike.

Keep in mind that what was wrong in this case was that this girl with 'special needs' eluded the supervision of her caregiver, and that the caregiver was care-less in allowing her to do so. THEY are at fault, not me, so stop trying to make it seem as if I am somehow to blame - stop with the "Ad Hominem Tu Quoque" attacks.



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09 Sep 2008, 6:03 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
there's no way to even know if she;s speech impaired just from that,because it is common for even fully verbal autists to become non verbal or speech impaired during accidents/emergencies/unpredictable events.

she might not be,.....but she could be what is known as a 'runner' [this gets changed to 'absconder' when become adult] escaping easily,she may not have even had any danger awareness...who knows apart from them.
just isnt something can judge unless know them.


Or she could have even been in her driveway with the car partially jumping the sidewalk.


There is no way to criticize anyone here (girl, parents, driver) with out the news article because there is no information here that tells anything here that is necessary to do that


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