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30 Apr 2009, 12:00 am

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30 Apr 2009, 6:44 am

I'm convinced he's an aspie. It's one of the few people in the world I can relate to.



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30 Apr 2009, 11:57 am

Zoonic wrote:
I'm convinced he's an aspie. It's one of the few people in the world I can relate to.

no, he is a pedophile, which was caused by an abusive childhood, resulting in a arrested emotional devolopemnet, aka, peter pan syndrome.


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30 Apr 2009, 12:54 pm

cognito wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
I'm convinced he's an aspie. It's one of the few people in the world I can relate to.

no, he is a pedophile, which was caused by an abusive childhood, resulting in a arrested emotional devolopemnet, aka, peter pan syndrome.


That could also be the case, it's not uncommon for aspies to have additional personality disorders. I still think MJ has asperger's though.



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30 Apr 2009, 2:10 pm

cognito wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
I'm convinced he's an aspie. It's one of the few people in the world I can relate to.

no, he is a pedophile, which was caused by an abusive childhood, resulting in a arrested emotional devolopemnet, aka, peter pan syndrome.


he was found NOT guilty.


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30 Apr 2009, 2:52 pm

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I'm convinced he's an aspie. It's one of the few people in the world I can relate to.

He better not be, because then he would be giving us Aspies a very bad name.



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30 Apr 2009, 5:45 pm

MathGirl wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
I'm convinced he's an aspie. It's one of the few people in the world I can relate to.

He better not be, because then he would be giving us Aspies a very bad name.


Some world leading experts are convinced Hitler had AS as well, and to be honest so am I. The Virginia Tech killer also had asperger's, so did at least one of the school killers in Finland as well as a killer in a racist street shooting in Belgium some years back.

I personally hate the neurotypical society, but it isn't like AS people can't be killers, paedophiles or racists.

As for MJ, I don't think he's that bad to be honest. He hated his natural face, so what? Does that make him evil? About the paedophile accusations, the people who accused him were mostly the mothers, typical greedy, ignorant working/middle-class women. The same type of women who seem to back into others' cars and fall down stairs a lot. Opportunists who wouldn't hesitate to use the questionable behaviour of MJ to make it look as if he was molesting boys.



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30 Apr 2009, 5:57 pm

how in the world does michael jackson have aspergers? thats the funniest thing ive heard all freaking day. the man obviously has a probem and i doubt its As.



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30 Apr 2009, 6:49 pm

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how in the world does michael jackson have aspergers? thats the funniest thing ive heard all freaking day. the man obviously has a probem and i doubt its As.


Why couldn't it be AS?

MJ is known to identify easily with animals. The first song he wrote (I think) "Ben" was named after his pet rat or something like that.
He also fits the asperger intelligence curve and is very talented in one field (music/dancing) but extremely poor in others (finances, social skills).
Another characteristic MJ trait which fits well with AS is his inability to adapt and change. He never could reinvent himself, unlike for example Madonna, instead he kept doing the same acts until he became more known for his surgery and weird behaviour in general than his music.

What speaks against the "bad childhood" theory is that all the children in that family had a similar upbringing but the others come across as at least socially normal, when you see them in interviews and similar. Michael always seemed to be far away in his own little world. Just listening to him speaking and watching how he interacts with others should be more than just a hint to his neurological status.

Why are people so obsessed with the AS stereotype of a math genius in propeller cap? The only really visible thing most aspies have in common is some sort of excentricity, but how it manifests itself is completely individual.



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30 Apr 2009, 7:06 pm

uh he could never reinvent himself like maddona so now hes aspergers? again funny.
maybe his special intrest is children, and disneyland? im pretty shure hes so close with children because apparently something f****d up happend to him growing up. i have to admit i dont follow MJ but he seems social. hes been married a couple of times hasnt he? and his dancing/singing isnt probably his special intrest. since im shure he was basically forced into it like selena. some familys are really wierd about there children being in a band. i think that messed him up. and if im not mstaken some of his family is almost as wierd as he is, latoya hello!



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30 Apr 2009, 7:31 pm

There's nothing saying an aspie can't act social and to some degree even understand social codes, but in the case of MJ he always comes across as quite awkward, saying strange things and making badly timed jokes no one laughs at. Many aspies are married and have children so that doesn't mean anything really.

Asperger doesn't have to be based just on stereotypes and it can manifest itself in so many different ways. I have AS and I can relate to Michael Jackson, Adolf Hitler and Bobby Fischer quite well, not that I admire them because I don't, just that I can relate to them. However, I can't relate to stereotype aspie number X very well at all, but I still most definitely have, and I am diagnosed with, AS.

I never took part in AS communities or support groups because those are for fanatical parents who wants to fit their kids within the stereotype as much as possible. They are a mockery of individual intelligence. Dealing with these people when they are unaware of my AS, they never suspect I even have it, but if they are informed they try to force the stereotype on me as well. That's almost comical how shortsighted and utterly ignorant these people are. It's from them the prejudice that someone like MJ can't have AS, because he doesn't fit the stereotype, is born.
I think it's time to reclaim AS from these trashy middle-class mothers with their YouTube Vlogs and support meetings. They don't decide who I am.

Not to mention the "self-diagnosed", who somehow identify with the stereotype almost as if it was a subculture. Of course nothing they say on the matter of AS has any viability at all, it's even worse than all those parents thinking they have the key to infinite truth in their hands, when it comes to enforcing stereotypes.
Some self-diagnosed might have AS, of course, but if they think an AS person needs to dress, eat, look and behave a certain way, they just show how ignorant they are.

People are free to disagree, but I think Michael Jackson has AS, and so do several professionals.



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30 Apr 2009, 7:52 pm

hes akward because he had a f****d up childhood dude. its nothing aspergers did to him. and i agree, most sterotypes are wrong. but if you dont fit the diagnostic criteria for aspergers you probably dont have it. so thats a sterotype isnt it? i personally dont think adolf hitler had aspergers either. the dude was crazy. although alot of speculation can be made about any one number of people. being eccentric usually is a sign but if people dont wanna get diagnosed then thats there problem. also i hope for f**k sakes MJ doesnt seek an answer to his "condition" i dont care if hes gifted. talented, whatever. you have to be a complete numbnuts to sleep with children when your a grownup. i mean common now, how stupid can you be? and im not really into the autism scene with moms on youtube and stuff. i dont even advocate for anything autism related, or go to support groups



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30 Apr 2009, 8:04 pm

Let's assume he is a paedophile, it still doesn't contradict the possibility of him having AS. Aspies can have perversions just like neurotypicals.

As for the messed up childhood, there are countless examples of people growing up in dysfunctional families with alcohol, drugs and even those who had their dad prostitute or molest them. There are also examples of highly succesful people who were tormented by their parents into achieving perfection, Andre Agassi is just one example. His dad forced him into endless hours of monotone practice with one of those machines shooting out balls. Most of these people still behave as somewhat normal neurotypicals.

Michael Jackson was forced into child stardom, he was beaten and his dad didn't show much affection. Hardly a unique situation, even if the height of his stardom is kind of unique and hard to topple. Also, compared to his siblings and many other child stars, it's just not enough argument. Maybe coupled with AS it would be, but just an abusive childhood alone doesn't create excentricity on that level. Blaming all his behaviour on that is just the standard excuse, it's a widely accepted myth the same way the lie about Hitler's jewish ancestry is a myth so widely accepted even some school teachers believe it.



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30 Apr 2009, 8:11 pm

i know aspies can have perversions just like anyone else. its quite apparent hes unhappy with himslef and suffers greatly from some sort of identity crisis. i mean just look at him, surgurys. skin turning completley white? oh yes. :lol:

if anything i'd say he suffers from some sever form of id crisis, due to tramatic childhood.

also prince is just as talented and eccentric as MJ is. so maybe he also has aspergers