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08 Feb 2009, 5:45 am

I have had to start eating red meat again due to Anemia. I recently learned how common it is among women. Does anyone else experience severe tiredness because of it?



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08 Feb 2009, 6:34 am

yes. I was vegetarian for 8 years and always found it difficult but I was a teenager and assumed it was my hormones or something. Then I got pregnant and went meat crazy - eating pork in lard for breakfast. I've never been able to be veggie again without getting tired and pale. I don't eat much meat but I must have a bit every other day. I tried taking pills but some people have problems digesting iron that isn't from meat and I guess I must be one of them. It runs in my family - my mum and both sisters have it and for all of us it's worse when you're growing, pregnant, running marathons or stressed. :P



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08 Feb 2009, 12:55 pm

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I tried taking pills but some people have problems digesting iron that isn't from meat and I guess I must be one of them.


That seems sad and definately a flaw against those that would find perfect logic in everyone eating vegetarian.


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08 Feb 2009, 1:30 pm

I'm mildly anemic right now. My doctor says it's probably because my period is heavier than usual. But I've always needed to eat red meat on a regular basis in order to be able to get out of bed in the morning. My mother is the same way.

Once, I had a doctor put me on iron pills after a routine blood test. Then when my iron levels were up again, she asked me if I felt better. I couldn't tell the difference - I was so overwhelmed regardless. The look on her face when I told her that was pretty funny.



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09 Feb 2009, 1:46 am

Shoot. I was vegan for a long time, knowing that the world would be cured of everything if everyone was vegan. Then, I realised I was anemic. I went through a bottle of the best iron and B12 combo pills I could get my hands on. They worked for the first few days, but they weren't consistent, and I never forgot to take one, so now I do believe that there is something different about iron and B12 in the meat I eat compared to the pills. Even if I take them, I still have to eat red meat at least a few times a week. I feel like I can go for a few days without meat, but I start to lose my appetite, and not want to eat anything. If I don't eat enough, I will sleep all day. My period makes me lose my appetite on the heaviest day. I rarely want food then. I usually get a big appetite right before it starts, and then have a drive to replenish after it's over with. I have really sensitive bowels during my period, and every bowel movement hurts my uterus, ouch.



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09 Feb 2009, 1:53 am

Shayne wrote:
skybluepink wrote:
I tried taking pills but some people have problems digesting iron that isn't from meat and I guess I must be one of them.


That seems sad and definately a flaw against those that would find perfect logic in everyone eating vegetarian.


The vegetarian logic is mostly economic world humanitarianism, but when you think about everyone in the world actually being fed with the food that animals are raised on, and the advent of another population explosion, it really makes little economic sense because people are going to raise meat, regardless. I think a better model is a well rounded diet that consists of less meat on a daily basis, enough of a cutback to keep the meat industry ethical and localized. I've had dreams of starting a deer farm.



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09 Feb 2009, 2:18 am

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I've had dreams of starting a deer farm.


I used to dream of having an elk farm. Then I heard that's a good way of losing money. :P I think most animal farmers have day jobs. Pretty sad when you think about how important farming is.

I'm told cattle are much less effort than poultry, though, so probably deer would be easier, too. If you raise it pure browse/no commercial chow, you can sell it frozen over the internet to environmentalist types.

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Now that I think of it, both my sisters came down with mono after 3-6 months on a vegetarian diet. I think some people have a much harder time going veggie than others do.



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09 Feb 2009, 3:45 am

Anemone wrote:
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I've had dreams of starting a deer farm.


I used to dream of having an elk farm. Then I heard that's a good way of losing money. :P I think most animal farmers have day jobs. Pretty sad when you think about how important farming is.



I read into hobby farming for deer and other exotics. You would need a lot of land to start a big game farm to make any significant amount of money. The idea is to sustain yourself, and get by, and in Canada it would be easier to sustain a lifestyle providing most of your own resources, but I have no idea how they tax farmers up there. Of course growing veggies up there isn't going to work as well as in Virginia. Farms here are producing practically year round. I'm starting a garden plot this spring on a buddy's land with him. I haven't grown anything in years.



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09 Feb 2009, 2:33 pm

I have been iron-deficient for a long time and the lack of energy has affected me. I have eaten red meat 1-2 times a week, with chicken and fish being my primary meat choice. I also have other health issues, but when discussing symptoms with doctors, they only prescribed iron pills (which made me sick to my stomach and hurt my gut) so I don't take them. I recently discovered on my own through diet modification that I am likely wheat/gluten intolerant. I had a ton of other symptoms too in addition to the anemia. Not one doctor has caught on to this possibility and its been years of me exhibiting symptoms. There is a genetic link to my experience with my family medical history too.

I have found that I have increased my energy since going gluten/wheat free for a few weeks. I discovered that with this type of intolerance, the body has a harder time absorbing nutrients and iron-deficiency is common. I am in the process of figuring out if a formal diagnosis is necessary, however, I plan on keeping with this diet for life as it has helped with energy levels, mental focus, my moods, and physical comfort in such a noticable way.



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09 Feb 2009, 3:06 pm

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in Canada it would be easier to sustain a lifestyle providing most of your own resources


I doubt it, actually. We're on the northern fringe of the agricultural zone, and I think a lot of our farmland is marginal. Both very cold and poor soils/drainage. And all the good stuff is taken.

I think the ideal is to have a small acreage within easy driving of a city, so you can combine things. The people on The Farm commune in the Lanark area did tree planting to make ends meet. One of them started a tempeh business and is doing all right. A lot of people have market gardens for extra cash. The farm I bought a 1/4 cow from in the interior of BC has one FT farmer and one FT person with day job, plus kids to help kill chickens in chicken-killing season. She said they spend a month killing chickens every year (then freeze them). :P But free range poultry is very popular with customers, so they do it.



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10 Feb 2009, 2:40 am

Anemone wrote:
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in Canada it would be easier to sustain a lifestyle providing most of your own resources


I doubt it, actually. We're on the northern fringe of the agricultural zone, and I think a lot of our farmland is marginal. Both very cold and poor soils/drainage. And all the good stuff is taken.



I guess I assumed that people could hunt or fish for most of their meat, and that there was a ton of available farmland, or opportunities to farm what ever you could get to grow. Rasberries? Pine nuts? Winter wheat? Gourds? Potatoes? I guess it's all about meat up there. Jeez, what in the world do you eat besides meat?

After picking through a seed catalogue tonight, I'm going to have a wide array of fruit and veggies this year. Tomatoes, okra, corn, melons, strawberries, peppers, lettuce, onions, cucumbers, peas, carrots, spinach, chard, and potatoes, is about everything. What's amazing is my metabolism would slow down from eating all those veggies without meat, and I would probably gain weight if I combined pasta and bread with all of it.



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10 Feb 2009, 2:42 am

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I have been iron-deficient for a long time and the lack of energy has affected me. I have eaten red meat 1-2 times a week, with chicken and fish being my primary meat choice. I also have other health issues, but when discussing symptoms with doctors, they only prescribed iron pills (which made me sick to my stomach and hurt my gut) so I don't take them. I recently discovered on my own through diet modification that I am likely wheat/gluten intolerant. I had a ton of other symptoms too in addition to the anemia. Not one doctor has caught on to this possibility and its been years of me exhibiting symptoms. There is a genetic link to my experience with my family medical history too.

I have found that I have increased my energy since going gluten/wheat free for a few weeks. I discovered that with this type of intolerance, the body has a harder time absorbing nutrients and iron-deficiency is common. I am in the process of figuring out if a formal diagnosis is necessary, however, I plan on keeping with this diet for life as it has helped with energy levels, mental focus, my moods, and physical comfort in such a noticable way.


That's gotta be rough.



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10 Feb 2009, 4:06 am

The Canadian Sheild is apparently very good for growing marijuana, but not much good for anything else.

We have all the cool temperate crops, only just along the southern fringe of the country where all our cities are. In Ottawa where I grew up we had apple trees but it was too cold for other fruit trees. North of the agricultural zone you get berries, and that's it for fruit. At the cottage the soil was so acid we had lots and lots of green beans (legumes are nitrogen fixers) and that's about all that thrived. A bit of leaf lettuce. Parsley. In the city my mother grew tomatoes. There's the three sisters: corn, beans, and squash, as long as the soil is ok (southern and eastern Ontario). They make a good soup together (use lima beans and acorn squash). In hippie country they have small market gardens and exotic livestock.

Of course they grow a lot of wheat on the prairies, but I think that's all agribusiness these days.

I think people in the North hunt a lot of their food, but most Canadians don't hunt. I caught a fish once but have never hunted. And I think living off the land is a very marginal existence. I'd rather herd than hunt.



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10 Feb 2009, 4:41 am

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The Canadian Sheild is apparently very good for growing marijuana, but not much good for anything else.



Oh, now that would be nice of the government to allow. Economic problems=solved. 3 million jobs were just created in America in conjunction with Canadian growers who are being subsidised by the Canadian government to grow Marijuana, yeah, I wish. Mexico has a new middle class explosion in it's economy... Free medical school for everyone...The tax revenues made on public Marijuana sales have paid for everything we ever needed...



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10 Feb 2009, 2:53 pm

The new diet is good and the simplicity of it is awesome. No major medical intervention required because all I have to do is read labels and I find myself gravitating away from process foods to whole foods. For me, coming from a long history of medical interventions, I am grateful to be free from going under a doctors knife. This new lifestyle would do well for me, especially if I ever choose to live a simple existance of self-sustainability through micro-farming. Hunting and gathering are more primitive but necessary means to survival and coincide with my new diet change too!



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11 Feb 2009, 2:11 pm

mixtapebooty wrote:
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The Canadian Sheild is apparently very good for growing marijuana, but not much good for anything else.


Oh, now that would be nice of the government to allow. Economic problems=solved. 3 million jobs were just created in America in conjunction with Canadian growers who are being subsidised by the Canadian government to grow Marijuana, yeah, I wish. Mexico has a new middle class explosion in it's economy... Free medical school for everyone...The tax revenues made on public Marijuana sales have paid for everything we ever needed...


They have experimental farms growing hemp (marijuana without the active ingredient), so maybe someday. Hemp used to be a cash crop before people started smoking it. You can make rope out of it, and fabric. I've seen beautiful hemp fabric from Thailand.

And at one point they considered developing hemp into an oil crop. But they went with rapeseed -> canola instead. That could still happen too!