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That would need a fair judge, because I feel that a lot of here perceive some things as sexist when they aren't.

Some women here try so hard to project Misogyny on men, by twisting words, word-nitpicking, exaggerating what they intended to say, and even to picture any confrontation or not-so-nice response from a male member toward a user who happens to be female as misogyny.

Take for example the "kid" comment which was just said by Fnord that you took it as misogyny (this was obvious by your reaction when you said "take note ladies"- you took it as an attack against women as a whole).

Fnord is a rude member; this is no secret - he was rude against men, women, teens....he's simply a rude and cold person. And I've seen him belittling other men with worse names - he is not like that only with women in particular.

I can be confrontational to rude myself too, I have been threatened violently by some male user in the past because I confronted them about some things (anyone remembers Wolfheart?).

Surely, if we hand it to you, you would ban half of the men here, me and Fnord included - I am so sure of it .. you would even ban Sly and who knows, maybe even the gentleman Kraftie because he promotes the spontaneous kiss.

But luckily, our current mods (whom most of them are ladies btw) are amazing, very reasonable and fair, and they are already doing a good job by banning the real sexist people.

So it all depends on the people who are being mods.

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Fnord is spot on.

Unfortunately not everyone (male or female) can cope with these kind of challenges & ways of discussing issues without feeling a bit threatened.

OP your point was a valid expression of how you felt so no problems with expressing it, I also have sympathy the the negative things that have happened to you and am really glad you have the succour of your partner.

Most men are deeply programmed to be `men` and are programmed how to think about women from an early age (see the excellent insightful `tough guise` vids) and some of us work really hard to overcome our upbringing and develop into more enlightened beings... how ever some don`t even realise its an issue but a few others simply dont care.

Anyway this can illuminate the struggle but acceptance of each gender is essential and I still believe that womens issues should be led by women.

Overall this is a great site and i hope you feel ok about it, I for one am not a misogynist (at least not intentionally) and I think most of the men here are not either. A few may be just a little hurt by rejection as mentioned. Many aspies hate any other people because of that continual rejection.... mostly its just pain exhibiting itself.

Dont worry if the debate has gone a bit off piste ...

Anyway I`m off, I think I have made all the points I wanted to make and want to leave this thread ion a positive note.

Good post. I still disagree about who should lead the discussion but other than than I think you're spot on. There still is a lot of pressure for men to behave in a macho emotionless way. The only historically accepted emotions for men to express is happiness and anger. Let's just take some comfort in the fact that there is a very large and growing movement of people fighting against stereotypical gender roles.

You should read the Self-Made Man by Norah Vincent, a book about an experiment she did by living a different life as 'man' in disguise for 18 months (she even dated women as a 'man'), and explaining in there why she's thankful for being a woman.

Are you accusing the current mods, who most of them are women, as misogyny sympathizers?

Okay, I'll bite ... what are the thoughts of a man about bras. I can tell you my thoughts are solely concerned with comfort.

I don't like the ones with the metal in them. They seems very uncomfortable.

The less constrictive, the better.

Forget about those camisole-type things.

Those metal wire ones are vicious. I've often wondered if wearing such things over a long period of time can lead to health issues, including cancer. It's not the body's natural shape. My favourite are those spandexy strapless ones.

In Victorian days, when women wore corsets, they used to faint because of all the constriction.

Guys used to think it was sort of "cute" for a woman to faint because then they showed their vulnerability, their "femininity," if you will. They were ignorant of the true reason behind all the fainting.

It wouldn't have been comfortable in Victorian times.

Also, sports bras are good.

Lol in that case I'd like to volunteer as an inspector!

I don't know the current mods.

Since almost all women have some amount (often quite high) of internalized sexism and many also have internalized misogyny - unless they have deliberately spent a lot of time and effort undoing it over a number of years consciously and intentionally - I think it's at least possible, if not likely that they do without realising it.

After all, the only thing that would be required is their silence and inaction. It's not that difficult to put something in the "unnecessary" basket when you know it will provoke massive reactions and backlash among the community because people are finally being held accountable.

I can at least speak to the fact that this was most definitely what happened with the past mods. About the current ones, I don't know. Like I said, ultimately, somewhat likely.

This forum is Women's Discussion. Note the apostrophe - it indicates the possessive. This Discussion is intended to belong to Women.

Can we make 100% sure who is which? No. But let us at least give honorable men the chance to do the right thing.

As it is, this Forum has become Men's Discussion.

I don't hate women but accused of such

What about a safe place for men a men only sub forum so we can say how horrible women behind there backs?

Men are observed 24/7 too though doubt it's 24/7 do men watch you when you're at home? In the shower? Bathroom? When you're sleeping ?

I wish we could get together on why women might want a private place. I don't think that men can understand. It is not because of hatred of men - who accused you? Men are not observed to the same degree as women. I stand by 24/7 - that goes to the realm of sickos but it's real. Last week I woke to find the janitor standing at my bedroom door.

That being said, it's not fear or paranoia (loaded accusatory word).

Why do men think it's all about men? You said, "What about a safe place for men a men only sub forum so we can say how horrible women behind there backs?" Ye gods, man, is that what you think we're doing? Absolutely not. For example, we might want to talk about a women's relationship with her mother. This is huge with women.

I guess you won't remember the consciousness-raising groups of the 70's - I was there and I can tell you truthfully that not one word was about men. And that is true of women's groups since then.

And then there's Entitlement, which is too weighty a problem for me right now.

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At one point we did have a sub forum for men's discussion and it turned into an utter cesspool of hatred and them spewing crap and biogotry left right and centre. It was so bad it was closed down soon after and mods of the time said never again.

All associated things that were ok to talk about were turned into the men's discussion thread which still exists today.

Tl:dr : you can't have nice things because you already ruined them previously.