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2014.



Gotta love the "I'm not homophobic, I have gay friends!" and "...It's better than murder I guess!"



Source: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2014/0 ... va-gay-son

As for the actual subject of this thread... *sigh* have people invented the political lesbianism movement again?

*Looks back at the Ancient Greeks and Romans with their stories of Artemis / Diana, a goddess who would grant immortality to maidens for the price of forgoing relations with men and joining the goddess on the hunt for wild beasts*

*Remembers the story of how a lone male hunter was once allowed to join the hunters, only to betray the goddess and be promptly turned into a deer and hunted down*

...Yeah. I wouldn't worry too much about this 4B thing. It does seem to be a repackaged version of the political lesbianism movement, which was short lived and not very popular. Which is not to be confused with actually being a lesbian or bisexual. Sexuality is not a choice.
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"Your body, my choice" as it's being used in the modern day is vile and I can understand why people are reacting negatively. I think turning your back on men who think such things makes a lot of sense. If you do not wish to be the deer, support women's rights.

Reminds me a lot of those feminist posters with a dog biting back and sticking it to the establishment.

Oh boy... Guess I'll just keep doing what I have been doing for years...

Nope. I mean, abstaining from dating, sex with men, marriage and having children doesn't necessarily mean you're having sex with women. Celibacy is a thing.



That phrase, though, is part of a much larger and more troubling picture in the United States. I'm not sure people abroad fully understand unless they follow American politics closely. First, a man with a history of everything from making public statements objectifying his own daughter to having been found in a court of law to have raped a woman and to be liable for sexual abuse was just elected president. I can't begin to explain how it feels to those of us who are SA survivors to be looking at those in our lives who knew this and voted for him anyway.

His VP elect has also made derogatory statements about women who don't bear children and said people who aren't parents don't have as much of a stake in the future of our county and should not leading it. Various other Republicans made similar criticisms of VP Harris, who is a stepmother but apparently did not "count" as a parent because she had not actually physically given birth to the children, as if that somehow made her less qualified for the job she was running for. Then, there is Elon Musk with his odd preoccupation with procreation. Beyond already having 11 children that he knows of and frequently talking about the need for other people to have kids, Elon has reportedly gone as far as to have offered his own sperm to friends and acquaintances, FFS.

The campaign as a whole made an effort to appeal to young male 'bro' voters, which involved a lot of macho rhetoric and the message that society has gone too far in terms of gender equality, so a correction is now needed. We're now bracing for that correction to start happening across multiple areas, but especially when it comes to healthcare and reproductive rights, given all the bizarre rhetoric suggesting women's primary value is to bear children. Anecdotally, I tried to schedule an appointment with my OBGYN for an annual physical this week. It's a large practice with around 40 doctors and they typically have plenty of appointments available, but when I checked with them two days after the election, they were booked solid into next year. I think it's probably not a coincidence, but rather because women are scared and trying to get birth control prescriptions filled before the inauguration. (Beyond abortion bans, which have been more widely talked about, birth control is something some of the Republican hardliners have talked about putting further restrictions on).

I have only just heard of the 4B movement, but honestly it doesn't strike me as being as extreme as it is being portrayed on social media, given the situation here. Nor, do I appreciate the people I have seen belittling and making fun of these women online. I mean, in a context where you aren't respected, have fewer choices and freedoms in life, feel increasingly less safe and where you may not have access to the healthcare needed to keep you alive in event of a miscarriage or pregnancy complications, is opting out of society's expectation to make your body available to men/society an overreaction? Sounds reasonable to me.

That's true. Political celibacy is more accurate. Thank you for correcting me, that was a foolish oversight on my end.



I'll admit to my ignorance on issues in the United States. I have been meaning to catch up on the news.



Definitely scummy. I've heard about his biased courts. The fact he has any sort of power after his crimes is disturbing. Baffles me that people could support him. I'm sorry our American members are going through this.



I didn't know about this part. Damn. What a crappy thing to say to someone. Add his VP elect and others on to the list of scummy people.



Yup. That seems incredibly in character of him. If you looked up overly self-important, Elon would be a great example of such a man.



Figures. I'd be interested to see such campaign material out of curiosity. I'd imagine it was similar to PragerU's content. I've seen their adverts and nonsensical graphs. If you told me it was satire I could've been tricked into believing it to be. They're certainly a concerning bunch from what I've seen.




Well said. It's a disturbing state of affairs. I hope there's pushback and societal change. Women deserve better.

frankly, i don't get how any reasonable person can blame the 4b-ers?

^Didn't know anyone did that! What are they blaming the 4b-ers for doing?

I'm telling you right now, I'm so incredibly sick of this Trump Vance Tyson Tate manosphere BS. They won't be happy until they send all us women back to the middle ages.