the treatment of women on wrongplanet

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Bill, your attitude is one of the big problems the site has with sexism. You make lots of sexist posts or threads or make remarks that are generally insulting or obnoxious towards women. If the moderators were to enforce the site rules against sexism more strongly I'm afraid that you'd be near the top of the list of people facing a permanent ban from the site for sexism. The most striking thing to me is that you appear to be clueless that you make these sexist / offensive remarks. Unfortunately you are not alone, there are a number of mainly young men such as yourself who behave the same way. All I can hope is that other members continue to try to explain why/how you are being sexist and that you can learn not to make sweeping, and often negative or insulting, remarks about women. It is better if you realise that you are doing this and to change your behaviour as a result, realising that sweeping generalisations are groundless and insulting. Education is a thousand times better than a big stick.

Tallyman, this was one of the most well written responses I have ever seen and I agree with it. If the moderators start enforcing the rules against sexism more strongly would the mods be willing to give all the perpetrators some chances to redeem themselves by

1st Give a verbal warning

2nd. Give a month suspension

3rd. Then permanently band them.

The moderators would need the support of Alex for an increased level of intervention regarding sexism. Spongy tried some time ago in the L&D forum but Alex stopped him. I suspect that Alex did so because there would be a lot of bloodshed and quite a number of members would find themselves reprimanded and subsequently banned. We have essentially a zero tolerance policy towards racist and homophobic posts and those who harbour such attitudes generally know better than to express them. We don't have many problems with racism and homophobia on this site. Sexism is a different matter, it rears its ugly head all over the site in varying degrees from minor offhand remarks that could be construed as sexist to full out blatant sexism. We do act when it is blatant - I've personally banned people for such remarks when continued after a warning.

I'll see if I can find the specifics of the dialogue between Alex and spongy and see if we can get Alex to support a more aggressive anti-sexism policy. However, like I've said, I view education as a much better approach than the big stick. I've got doubts though that some members will be able to adapt or even comprehend and acknowledge that they are being sexist.

please cite posts where i have generalised about men or made sexist statements about men. i'll wait.

"women only w*k jerks who abuse them" is sexist in the same way that saying "jews only want money" is bigoted because you are saying that all women are the same and all jews are the same--neither of which is true. you can't take a whole group (like women, black people, disabled people) and make a comment about them like they are all the same--that is prejudiced and wrong and also ignorant (because not all individuals of any group are going to be the same and have the same traits/wants/behaviours). if you can replace the word "women/girls" in anything you say about women with the words "jew" or "black people" and suddenly you have a very racist and inflammatory statement, then your original statement about women is sexist. it's not that complicated or difficult to understand, if you don't actually hate all women or think all women are the same.

so,what about if you only go after feminist women.If you say all
feminist are x,y,z would you consider that sexism?

that would be prejudiced and inaccurate for the same reason--not all members of any human population (like feminists) are going to be the same, and making claims that they are all the same is wrong, ignorant, and offensive to those in the group you are generalising about.

so,would you consider biasism toward feminist women as sexism.
If I bash fat women,and say all fat women are x,y,z would
that be consider sexist?

to tallyman--this is the problem. you talk about education being more effective than enforcement, but what about those who are "educated" about sexism time and time again and re-offend anyway, like bill here? do you really believe he doesn't understand, or is it perhaps possible that he doesn't want to understand? how is education about sexism helping them or the rest of us on the site who have to listen to their sexism whenever we come to wrongplanet? i don't think that many people would end up banned if sexism were moderated in the same way that racism is--i think that a handful of guys who've had plenty of opportunity to educate themselves and to be educated by others about sexism and refuse the education because they prefer to keep hating will get banned--the rest will learn once they've been warned that they can't get away with it and will keep it to themselves or actually figure out that women are people too. either way, works for me.

need i say more, tallyman?

Point taken. Bill seems unable or unwilling to grasp the principle. I'll have a chat with the other mods regarding the logistics of moderating sexism more strongly, if the other mods are in agreement, I'll approach Alex with a view of getting his support for a more aggressive anti-sexism policy.

Oh dear Bill I can see that you are trying to narrow this down into little portions and work it out. Basically if you say all of x group are like x, y, z then that is not right because you are generalizing about a group. It doesn't matter what sort of people make up that group, generalization is unfair and untrue because you need to take into account that humans are individuals and in reality cannot be grouped like that.

It's like saying all people who wear sandals only eat potatos. That's not true, some of them may not like potatos as they are all individuals. You could say that all people who eat potatos like fast cars, but the wouldn't be fair either because not all people who eat potatos like fast cars, they are individuals with their own preferances and tastes and thoughts.

You can't say that all of group x do x, y, z. That is the point. It doesn't matter who the group comprizes of. You can't generalize about them. It isn't fair or true.

any help you could lend would be very much appreciated, and i'm sure not just by me.

Bill, you're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. So, do us all a favor. SHUT THE f**k UP!

I know you're educated but you just don't give a damn and you're just trying to emotionally goad her. I'm onto your game so again, SHUT THE f**k UP!

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StarvingArtist, he's f*****g with you is. He is educated but he does not give a damn. He's screwing with you like he screws with both of his gf's. He is trying to emotionally goad you and he regards you like he regards them.

Well, Bill, how about you don't bash anyone. Can you just cut the s**t Bill.