Do you hate men because (you think) they are sexist?
For sure not all men are sexist. I don't hate men...I don't hate any one group of people...it is just some of the individuals that I can have problems with.
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Honestly, this site is the first place I've seen real, bona fide sexism against women to the extreme (check out the Love and Dating forum to see what I mean, and no, it's not all the work of a certain obnoxious troll as much as I wish it was). It really bothers me. It's so unnecessary to judge other people on silly pieces of flesh between their legs. When I think about it, if things had gone slightly differently, any number of things about us could've arbitrarily been decided as the most important component of who we are... eye color, hair color, the length of our toes... and stereotypes would've been constructed in order to reinforce that notion. Sexism isn't just mean and annoying. It's utterly pointless, especially in the society we exist in now.
I have unfortunately seen reverse sexism a lot, quite a bit more than I've seen male-to-female sexism - both in fiction and real life. I have a particular contempt for women who guilt-trip guys into acting a certain way because of stereotypes or the past while doing the exact same thing they accuse men of doing in reverse. And yes, I have seen this in people. It's quite disgusting, and anything but being equal - it's using perceived disadvantage in one's favor in order to be a bully.
Another problem I see with purported "feminists" around me is, at the same time they insist on our innate power and ability, they reinforce our helplessness by equating social norms with necessities, as if we have no choice. For instance, women don't HAVE to acquiesce to men in social or work situations - many do, but it isn't a necessity. Yes, there might be consequences, like not being seen as "feminine" enough or being perceived as a "b***h," but if you want to be yourself, isn't that more important than what other people think? Likewise, some people act like women MUST have children and sacrifice their careers or goals for family. Unless birth control and abortion are suddenly outlawed, and the practice of arranged/forced marriage returns in the U.S., this is again a case of social pressure but not lack of personal volition. It's our lives. If we want to play into the stereotypes or the expected female roles, then we can. If we don't, well, hey, people might say stuff, but let them say stuff. They don't have to live it. In Western society, women aren't FORCED into anything at this time, and pretending we do is perpetuating rather than destroying the "damsel in distress" stereotype.
Of course, I might be a bit out of the loop about how things happen elsewhere, 1) because I'm from California and now live in Massachusetts, two of the most liberal, politically correct places in the U.S., and 2) because I've always looked and acted strange enough not to be lumped in with giggling eye candy, and (if my perceptions are correct) been seen as more of an "it" (for lack of a gender-neutral pronoun) than a girl by most people - something, by the way, that I don't mind and sometimes have encouraged. I have no strong attachment to one gender role or another, and have not been treated for the most part as though I should, so it hasn't been so much an issue as it might for another person.
In general, I think sexism going both ways needs to be eliminated. We can get past what used to be and make our lives our own now, and hopefully judge one another based on what's in our brains and in our souls rather than what's in our pants.
Heres the deal: It REALLY offends me how some people think that because they were born into a certain group(of which I was not and thus can never belong to)have a sense of entitlement stemming from belonging to that group. Thats what infuriates me about many feminists, they think being female means that they are entitled to certain social priviledges that men shouldnt get to have. Its one thing to say that women deserve equal rights with men and Nobody should have to tolerate harassment regardless of who or what they are but its another thing to assert ones "victim status" as a means of manipulating people into feeling sorry for you and pandering to your every desire.
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Honestly, this site is the first place I've seen real, bona fide sexism against women to the extreme (check out the Love and Dating forum to see what I mean, and no, it's not all the work of a certain obnoxious troll as much as I wish it was). It really bothers me. It's so unnecessary to judge other people on silly pieces of flesh between their legs. When I think about it, if things had gone slightly differently, any number of things about us could've arbitrarily been decided as the most important component of who we are... eye color, hair color, the length of our toes... and stereotypes would've been constructed in order to reinforce that notion. Sexism isn't just mean and annoying. It's utterly pointless, especially in the society we exist in now.
I have unfortunately seen reverse sexism a lot, quite a bit more than I've seen male-to-female sexism - both in fiction and real life. I have a particular contempt for women who guilt-trip guys into acting a certain way because of stereotypes or the past while doing the exact same thing they accuse men of doing in reverse. And yes, I have seen this in people. It's quite disgusting, and anything but being equal - it's using perceived disadvantage in one's favor in order to be a bully.
Another problem I see with purported "feminists" around me is, at the same time they insist on our innate power and ability, they reinforce our helplessness by equating social norms with necessities, as if we have no choice. For instance, women don't HAVE to acquiesce to men in social or work situations - many do, but it isn't a necessity. Yes, there might be consequences, like not being seen as "feminine" enough or being perceived as a "b***h," but if you want to be yourself, isn't that more important than what other people think? Likewise, some people act like women MUST have children and sacrifice their careers or goals for family. Unless birth control and abortion are suddenly outlawed, and the practice of arranged/forced marriage returns in the U.S., this is again a case of social pressure but not lack of personal volition. It's our lives. If we want to play into the stereotypes or the expected female roles, then we can. If we don't, well, hey, people might say stuff, but let them say stuff. They don't have to live it. In Western society, women aren't FORCED into anything at this time, and pretending we do is perpetuating rather than destroying the "damsel in distress" stereotype.
Of course, I might be a bit out of the loop about how things happen elsewhere, 1) because I'm from California and now live in Massachusetts, two of the most liberal, politically correct places in the U.S., and 2) because I've always looked and acted strange enough not to be lumped in with giggling eye candy, and (if my perceptions are correct) been seen as more of an "it" (for lack of a gender-neutral pronoun) than a girl by most people - something, by the way, that I don't mind and sometimes have encouraged. I have no strong attachment to one gender role or another, and have not been treated for the most part as though I should, so it hasn't been so much an issue as it might for another person.
In general, I think sexism going both ways needs to be eliminated. We can get past what used to be and make our lives our own now, and hopefully judge one another based on what's in our brains and in our souls rather than what's in our pants.
Well said!

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