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06 Sep 2010, 12:49 am

I've never heard of this double standard.


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06 Sep 2010, 4:06 am

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I'm NOT a racist but why are plus size black women considered more "beautiful" and "Curvalicious" than white women who are plus size. I'm a Plus Size white girl and weight 220 pounds and am 5'0-5'2 and have big bones and I'm so proud of my body. People say to me all the time "You're an okay looking girl but you'd be beautiful if you weighed 120 pounds" it's not fair that black women can be plus size and white girls and to be all skinny and abercrombie-ish. Any opinions?!


It is a cultural issue. That African Americans...and I say African Americans because I don't know if blacks in other countries have a preference for heavier women, probably prefer heavier women because of a genetic trait which used to be common in Africa, called steatopygia. Even though this trait has largely disappeared, the concept of a fuller figured women being desirable has persisted.

In some parts of Africa they have what are called "fat houses". This is a place where mothers send their daughters of marriage age to fatten them up so they become more desirable to perspective husbands.

In Africa, where clothing was minimal and survivability was highly desirable, a man was more likely to choose a woman who seemed healthy, as in not ill, and able to survive food shortages and bare many children.

In white Europe, fashion drove body image, and fashion dictated small waists.

I've noticed many Mexican and Mexican American men don't care if a woman is fat or thin. In fact they seem to be the least selective. Not sure why this is. I should ask sometime.



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06 Sep 2010, 9:03 am

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1) Why are you blaming black women (instead of the judgmental people who think you need to lose weight)? :?

2) What I've noticed is black women tend to actually be "big-boned" and "curvy," whereas many white women who claim to be "big-boned" or "curvy" usually are just fat. Still, a big-boned woman (of any color) who's 5'2 and 220 lbs will still be obese and (in the U.S.) is not likely to be considered "beautiful" based on looks alone.

3) Someone PM a mod about John_Browning already and don't feed the troll.

(P.S. I'm Asian, and if I were 5'2 I'd have to weigh 100 lbs before people would stop calling me fat. So let's be grateful for what we don't have to deal with already. :thumleft: )


1) I am not blaming them I'm just asking why. Have your vision checked.

2). I am actually big boned. I went to my doctor about that. I think I'm beautiful and quite SEXY! Guys just have to be stupid f***s and think I'm ugly. Even though I get alot of flirts from a guy here and there.

3). yeah I agree but he's a stupid guy too.



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06 Sep 2010, 10:02 am

But I think it's perhaps more black women are comfortable and confident in their shapes and that's what readily makes people accept them and they're more attracted to the confidence of the woman more than the actual body shape.



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06 Sep 2010, 10:04 am

emlion wrote:
But I think it's perhaps more black women are comfortable and confident in their shapes and that's what readily makes people accept them and they're more attracted to the confidence of the woman more than the actual body shape.


After considering the question a bit more, I agree with this. I know some big black women that are insecure and that keeps them from attracting people just as much as an insecure woman of any other ethnicity. :D



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06 Sep 2010, 11:33 am

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
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1) I am not blaming them I'm just asking why. Have your vision checked.


You don't have to explicitly say it, but your word choice in your OP does tell me that you're blaming black women for your predicament a lot more than you want to admit. And a tip? If you have to begin your sentence with "I'm not racist, but...," then you probably are. Or at least the second half of your sentence is. :(

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2). I am actually big boned. I went to my doctor about that. I think I'm beautiful and quite SEXY! Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly. Even though I get alot of flirts from a guy here and there.


Again, even if you're actually big-boned, it's really hard for to be 5'2 and 220 lbs without still being obese (unless you're a bodybuilder, in which case I stand corrected), and an obese woman of any color is generally considered unattractive and faces the pressure to lose weight. Just take Queen Latifah, who at 5'10 and 200 lbs is still being told she's too fat.

But yes, attitude and confidence count for attractiveness. You said you're "proud of your body." You also said you think you're beautiful and quite sexy, but immediately after that you added, "Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly." What that tells me is, in spite of what you tell us (and yourself?), you still haven't made peace with your body shape/size, and until you do you'll never be as attractive as obese women who no longer care what society has to say about their weight.

(FYI, I used to work with an obese white lady who I thought was attractive because she had a pretty face, a charming personality, and had no problem poking fun at her own weight. She probably would never have posted a thread wondering why fat black women have it easier either.)



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06 Sep 2010, 12:13 pm

Obesity isn't attractive on white or black people. I don't really see a double standard.


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06 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm

menintights wrote:
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menintights wrote:
1) I am not blaming them I'm just asking why. Have your vision checked.


You don't have to explicitly say it, but your word choice in your OP does tell me that you're blaming black women for your predicament a lot more than you want to admit. And a tip? If you have to begin your sentence with "I'm not racist, but...," then you probably are. Or at least the second half of your sentence is. :(

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2). I am actually big boned. I went to my doctor about that. I think I'm beautiful and quite SEXY! Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly. Even though I get alot of flirts from a guy here and there.


Again, even if you're actually big-boned, it's really hard for to be 5'2 and 220 lbs without still being obese (unless you're a bodybuilder, in which case I stand corrected), and an obese woman of any color is generally considered unattractive and faces the pressure to lose weight. Just take Queen Latifah, who at 5'10 and 200 lbs is still being told she's too fat.

But yes, attitude and confidence count for attractiveness. You said you're "proud of your body." You also said you think you're beautiful and quite sexy, but immediately after that you added, "Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly." What that tells me is, in spite of what you tell us (and yourself?), you still haven't made peace with your body shape/size, and until you do you'll never be as attractive as obese women who no longer care what society has to say about their weight.

(FYI, I used to work with an obese white lady who I thought was attractive because she had a pretty face, a charming personality, and had no problem poking fun at her own weight. She probably would never have posted a thread wondering why fat black women have it easier either.)


What the hell is your problem? I AM NOT A RACIST! If I were I would've said something about you being Asian by now. I KNOW I'm attractive. I HAVE made peace with my body. So SHUT THE f**k UP!! !



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06 Sep 2010, 12:15 pm

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
menintights wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
menintights wrote:
1) I am not blaming them I'm just asking why. Have your vision checked.


You don't have to explicitly say it, but your word choice in your OP does tell me that you're blaming black women for your predicament a lot more than you want to admit. And a tip? If you have to begin your sentence with "I'm not racist, but...," then you probably are. Or at least the second half of your sentence is. :(

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2). I am actually big boned. I went to my doctor about that. I think I'm beautiful and quite SEXY! Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly. Even though I get alot of flirts from a guy here and there.


Again, even if you're actually big-boned, it's really hard for to be 5'2 and 220 lbs without still being obese (unless you're a bodybuilder, in which case I stand corrected), and an obese woman of any color is generally considered unattractive and faces the pressure to lose weight. Just take Queen Latifah, who at 5'10 and 200 lbs is still being told she's too fat.

But yes, attitude and confidence count for attractiveness. You said you're "proud of your body." You also said you think you're beautiful and quite sexy, but immediately after that you added, "Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly." What that tells me is, in spite of what you tell us (and yourself?), you still haven't made peace with your body shape/size, and until you do you'll never be as attractive as obese women who no longer care what society has to say about their weight.

(FYI, I used to work with an obese white lady who I thought was attractive because she had a pretty face, a charming personality, and had no problem poking fun at her own weight. She probably would never have posted a thread wondering why fat black women have it easier either.)


What the hell is your problem? I AM NOT A RACIST! If I were I would've said something about you being Asian by now. I KNOW I'm attractive. I HAVE made peace with my body. So SHUT THE f**k UP!! !


Defensive much


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06 Sep 2010, 12:31 pm

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
menintights wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
menintights wrote:
1) I am not blaming them I'm just asking why. Have your vision checked.


You don't have to explicitly say it, but your word choice in your OP does tell me that you're blaming black women for your predicament a lot more than you want to admit. And a tip? If you have to begin your sentence with "I'm not racist, but...," then you probably are. Or at least the second half of your sentence is. :(

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2). I am actually big boned. I went to my doctor about that. I think I'm beautiful and quite SEXY! Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly. Even though I get alot of flirts from a guy here and there.


Again, even if you're actually big-boned, it's really hard for to be 5'2 and 220 lbs without still being obese (unless you're a bodybuilder, in which case I stand corrected), and an obese woman of any color is generally considered unattractive and faces the pressure to lose weight. Just take Queen Latifah, who at 5'10 and 200 lbs is still being told she's too fat.

But yes, attitude and confidence count for attractiveness. You said you're "proud of your body." You also said you think you're beautiful and quite sexy, but immediately after that you added, "Guys just have to be stupid f**** and think I'm ugly." What that tells me is, in spite of what you tell us (and yourself?), you still haven't made peace with your body shape/size, and until you do you'll never be as attractive as obese women who no longer care what society has to say about their weight.

(FYI, I used to work with an obese white lady who I thought was attractive because she had a pretty face, a charming personality, and had no problem poking fun at her own weight. She probably would never have posted a thread wondering why fat black women have it easier either.)


What the hell is your problem? I AM NOT A RACIST! If I were I would've said something about you being Asian by now. I KNOW I'm attractive. I HAVE made peace with my body. So SHUT THE f**k UP!! !


Yeah swearing and such is definitely going to get your point across.
You ask a question on a forum people are allowed to give their opinions.
Getting defensive and rude just make you look bad, not anyone else.
Congrats.



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06 Sep 2010, 2:27 pm

A skinny girl is less likely to survive a harsh drought. ;)


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06 Sep 2010, 2:32 pm

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A skinny girl is less likely to survive a harsh drought. ;)


Not necessarily, the skinny girls can eat the fat girl if the draught gets that bad. :P


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06 Sep 2010, 2:49 pm

MONKEY wrote:
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A skinny girl is less likely to survive a harsh drought. ;)


Not necessarily, the skinny girls can eat the fat girl if the draught gets that bad. :P


Not if they have to fight for the death. Chances are, the fat girl could knock the skinny one out easy, since they have less padding. XD



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06 Sep 2010, 3:05 pm

It's good in many african cultures to be fat. They often miss food so a big mama is reassuring. Some are even forced to eat a lot. Old cultures don't disappear so easily... But occidental cultures are fulled with hamburgers and stuffs, so "The Beauty" became a thin one, who's stronger than her body...



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06 Sep 2010, 5:16 pm

Erisad wrote:
MONKEY wrote:
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A skinny girl is less likely to survive a harsh drought. ;)


Not necessarily, the skinny girls can eat the fat girl if the draught gets that bad. :P


Not if they have to fight for the death. Chances are, the fat girl could knock the skinny one out easy, since they have less padding. XD


Aha, but the fat girl would get worn out quicker because they won't be as fit, so the skinny one can make her tired at first so when she falls, the skinny one can dive on her. :P


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06 Sep 2010, 5:18 pm

MONKEY wrote:
Erisad wrote:
MONKEY wrote:
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A skinny girl is less likely to survive a harsh drought. ;)


Not necessarily, the skinny girls can eat the fat girl if the draught gets that bad. :P


Not if they have to fight for the death. Chances are, the fat girl could knock the skinny one out easy, since they have less padding. XD


Aha, but the fat girl would get worn out quicker because they won't be as fit, so the skinny one can make her tired at first so when she falls, the skinny one can dive on her. :P


Just because a girl is skinny doesn't mean she has stamina. She could just be naturally skinny and have never exercised in her life. Similar point for the fat girl, just because she's big doesn't mean she can't keep up. Look at those fat guys on the NFL run and tell me that they don't have stamina. :D

Either way, lol for amusing hypothetical discussion. XD