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16 Jan 2011, 6:09 am

When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.



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16 Jan 2011, 6:22 am

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maybe perhaps actually spell out the rules, figure out a way to make it that you have to view a ToS for that section every time you want to post there. Program it so they have to actually scroll to the bottom of it and then quiz them on it. Or you can make them do it only once to gain access to that section.


I think that would just irritate people and they would continue posting the same things anyway. I have doubts that the "troublesome members" could be "educated" out of their attitudes, it seems to be ingrained into their personality.

The forum tends to attract members who have the most problems with relationships or even finding a suitable partner in the first place. I've noticed that some of the members have morphed their frustration at getting into a relationship into misogyny. It creates a vicious cycle. The more those people get knocked back the more antagonistic they become towards the opposite sex and they become even less likely to secure a meaningful relationship.


Well, you already know how I view people who don't even bother trying to improve and just whine about it. Maybe the forum can be set to have a priviledge /allowance to post there, Kinda like the adult section in some forums. Its as easy as setting a group that defaults to allow. If someone gets way too out of line you just temporarily revoke the allowance to post in that section. You can then gradually increase the penalties for further infractions.

Of course as your said, its a bit draconian, but I hold the belief that when general diplomacy has failed, Draconian measures are necessary.


I think there may be some mileage in your suggestion. I don't think Alex would add extra software to do the temporary exclusions but they could be enforced under a warning that posting there while under an exclusion would result in a site ban. I'll ponder the logistics and put it to Alex. I think something needs to be done with the L&D forum. In many ways it has become a worse war-zone than the PPR forum. In fact more warnings and bans result from nasty behaviour and rule infractions in L&D than in PPR anyway!


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16 Jan 2011, 7:38 am

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There is a lot of BS in there yeah, but not all guys are as*holes


True. Some of them there are very nice.



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16 Jan 2011, 9:40 am

blue_bean wrote:
When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.


Aspie girls alienate themselves enough as it is. I guess it depends on how autistic they are though.


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16 Jan 2011, 9:41 am

murphycop wrote:
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When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.


Aspie girls alienate themselves enough as it is. I guess it depends on how autistic they are though.


Why are you coming into the womens forum and insulting women? :?



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16 Jan 2011, 9:48 am

emlion wrote:
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When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.


Aspie girls alienate themselves enough as it is. I guess it depends on how autistic they are though.


Why are you coming into the womens forum and insulting women? :?


I'm not insulting them, thats just how it is. Is it a men insult forum only then? I didn't actually mean it as an insult, its just what i've noticed.


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16 Jan 2011, 10:14 am

Yeah, it's a drag. But there are a lot of really great guys on WP. Bashing one way or another is an expression of anger, frustration, loneliness, and I suppose black and white thinking. The black and white thinking thing seems especially apparent when I hear generalizations that are rooted in the 50s or something. I think to myself when I read some of the generalizations made that I know no women like the ones often described and I think these ideas come from something other than actual women, IRL. It just seems a clear symptom of suffering.



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16 Jan 2011, 7:17 pm

I know that this is a forum for women, but I just gotta say that this behaviour that most men seem to have pisses me off as well. :\ When I'm in an all-male environment and these jokes go rampant, I just leave the room. It especially bothers me when they aim these jokes at their wives or girlfriends. Like, where's the love in that?

Ah well, I'll go back to my side of the forums. Just wanted to share my thoughts. :D



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16 Jan 2011, 8:29 pm

blue_bean wrote:
When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.


I've seen one guy (I can't recall which one) argue that because he wasn't trying to date any WP females, there was no point in being nice to them.
He thought of himself as a nice person, too.


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16 Jan 2011, 8:55 pm

A rare entry from me in this folder, but,

I think what the guys who post the sexist remarks are angry about is not "women" per se, but (1) they are not the type of guys that Madison Avenue tries to advertise as hot dating material, thus they seem unattractive to their perception of NT females, and (2) the lopsided male-female AS ratio which is disputed enough as it is.


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17 Jan 2011, 1:57 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
blue_bean wrote:
When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.


I've seen one guy (I can't recall which one) argue that because he wasn't trying to date any WP females, there was no point in being nice to them.
He thought of himself as a nice person, too.


I was going to say I remember reading that post and can't recall who wrote it either, but then I suddenly remember it's him.

Really don't think anyone who posts there is interested in finding a date through WP, though. For whatever reason AS people seem to have a preference for NT people.

Have a lot of issues with NTs as a group, but desperately want their approval and want to be in a relationship with them...



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17 Jan 2011, 2:51 am

No you are not the only one. I have heard others get bothered by it too. I honestly find that section boring so I don't go there much nor pay that much attention to sexism and it looks like to me everyone has their own view on what sexism is so that rule is impossible to follow. What might be sexist to you might not be sexist to that person who is making that post. Like some people think "Lot of women are" "Most men are" is sexism while to me it is not because I am not saying all of them are and I am just speaking in general.

There has only been one guy on here who used to annoy me but he got banned and now I see he got unbanned and he doesn't post here often. He repeatedly made women hating threads while other men just post their threads venting or whatever but they don't keep posting about their same issues over and over ignoring everyone's advice like this fella did.


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17 Jan 2011, 3:18 am

murphycop wrote:
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When they do hate on all the women, they realise they're alienating the entire female population of WP as potential dates, don't they??

Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.


Aspie girls alienate themselves enough as it is. I guess it depends on how autistic they are though.


I guess a better phrase than alienating might be "pushing away".

If any of these kinda guys here PM'ed me looking for anything I'd laugh while I ignore their message. Then they'd make me a case study of what they're complaining about :P

It's a never ending cycle of self fulfilling prophecy for them: their crap attitude towards women makes women act crap towards them in return, which then just reinforces their crap attitude.



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17 Jan 2011, 4:12 am

I kinda understand this guys, to a certain point. I know that it's easy to get angry and bitter when things are hard, it's not like i'm having it easy when it comes to love either. But i never blamed men for that, i realize a lot of my problems with love is because of ME. Like i can't even look someone i like in the eyes.
But i never let my frustrations turn into mysandri. I don't write things about men on WP like a guy wrote about women, that we are i quote ''f***ed up''.
Also i don't get angry and jealous at people here who are in relationships. If anything, i'm happy for them.


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17 Jan 2011, 7:29 am

Jonsi wrote:
I know that this is a forum for women, but I just gotta say that this behaviour that most men seem to have pisses me off as well. :\ When I'm in an all-male environment and these jokes go rampant, I just leave the room. It especially bothers me when they aim these jokes at their wives or girlfriends. Like, where's the love in that?

Ah well, I'll go back to my side of the forums. Just wanted to share my thoughts. :D


Men are welcome in this part of the forum if they don't start flame wars or trouble :lol:. You shouldn't hesitate to participate if you're interested in a thread.

I actually think it would be very useful to get feedback on this particular subject from the more balanced/less angry guys on this site.


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17 Jan 2011, 9:42 am

Nah, I like a good flame war. That's what the internet is for after all.


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