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21 Oct 2012, 7:31 am

What does it mean to me?

A lot of things. There's the physical: I have my ladyparts. I don't think much of it except that it would be cool if there was some way to never be pregnant again because I'm just not mother material. Other than that I'm just fine appreciating them the way they are and giving them a good workout every so often (well, more often than that, but you kwim). There's the sociological: here are my rights, and here are the norms and such that people attempt to bind me to (which is fine in the aspect of I get to play around with my appearance than males can and still be acceptable, but I still hate to be fit in a box regardless). There are the mental aspects of it, which I find are less binding for me because I tend to be more androgynous in the way I think (which is why most of my friendlies in life have been male).

In the end I find myself more of a balance between the genders. I don't particularly care about when people ignore their side of them that are influenced by the opposite gender out of fear. Well, I care, but you know. I just don't see why people have to do that-- try to prove how male they are, try to prove how female they are. That's just a bunch of fear that has no purpose of being there. My bf is more gender-neutral as a male who thinks more feminine and I'm fine with it.



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21 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm

It means being a second class citizen in most societies on earth. It means my appearance mattering a lot more than I'd like it to. I don't like it and I never have.



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21 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm

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Socially, being a woman who doesn't quite fit the stereotype is challenging, but then it's all about finding your own definition of femininity. There has to be many ways...


I don't particularly want to define femininity for myself because I don't want to be feminine.

Besides, every time you come up with your own definition, you find ways in which you don't fit in with that one, either.

If you say, for instance, 'women embody the creative force of nature' - you think, 'really, do they? I don't feel like I do'.



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21 Oct 2012, 12:36 pm

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21 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm

I completely disagree. I don't know what sexual power even is.

What about that when women get old, they become unattractive to men. Do they lose that power? If so, how tragic.

If women become defined by their sexuality, the fact that that decays so early makes women's natures basically tragic.



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21 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm

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21 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm

By the way, maybe you feel somewhat gender-neutral?? Or would you prefer to be male?

I think a lot of people on the spectrum have a more fluid sense of gender, which is good in loads of ways.


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21 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm

I'm not taking offence, I've just always had a dislike of the 'women = power in nature' stance. I don't read it as anything personal.

I just see that point of view as something that's trying to reconcile women to the fact that they are, on average, physically weaker. The whole 'but we have a different sort of power'. I think the only innate power women seem to have is to endure huge amounts of s**t by distracting themselves with ideas like that (it's a power I'm personally lacking in, because I call s**t out when I see it).



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21 Oct 2012, 12:59 pm

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And, yeah; nature's ways ARE tragic and brutal. I believe that. A lot of the external aesthetics we subscribe to and which we call beautiful are ways of trying to preserve our self-hood in the face of, well, decay

We are all decaying, actually. Because nature is about decay, and we're natural


I've always got the feeling that patriarchy would just like all women to die at 45, or something. Like there is no point to us existing after that, in men's eyes. Old men are distinguished. Old women are hideous and redundant.



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21 Oct 2012, 1:18 pm

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21 Oct 2012, 4:42 pm

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It means being a second class citizen in most societies on earth. It means my appearance mattering a lot more than I'd like it to. I don't like it and I never have.


If I ever met ya, not to sound stalker-ish, I would NEVER treat you as such. Just to let ya know. Or any woman on WP.net.


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21 Oct 2012, 4:48 pm

It means being put under pressure by society and other people to be something I'm not capable of or willing to be ie a clichéd stereotype of my gender. I wish everyone was the same, with no genders then it would be more about what you are like as a person and less about how well you conform to gender expectations.



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20 Jan 2013, 11:53 pm

nessa238 wrote:
It means being put under pressure by society and other people to be something I'm not capable of or willing to be ie a clichéd stereotype of my gender. I wish everyone was the same, with no genders then it would be more about what you are like as a person and less about how well you conform to gender expectations.
Well said!! !! !

I don't always identify as being a "woman", I hate the word woman, I prefer girl. The only time I am glad to be one is when I am in a relationship, I like having a bf and bein treated as a girl, otherwise I would rather be a man lol less hassle.



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21 Jan 2013, 12:48 am

What it does it mean to be a woman for me?: To simply enjoy life with loved ones and flex my power of mind. Embracing my romana when he feels lonely, upset or depressed when the seasons change (He has seasonal affective disorder) as well as Twerking him every day to keep him in high spirits. It also means teaching my yet-to-be-born children how to take the world into the hands, molding it into whatever they desire with they're talents.



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21 Jan 2013, 5:29 am

puddingmouse wrote:
It means being a second class citizen in most societies on earth. It means my appearance mattering a lot more than I'd like it to. I don't like it and I never have.

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