Mini skirts, feminism and equality

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Yes, but it's not just the fashion industry behind it.

The fashion industry wants us to be product consuming clothes racks.

When its hotter than hot outside and I don't have to sit in an air conditioned office then I like to wear short skirts. And guys will walk around with their shirts off for the same reason. I don't think there is anything wrong with noticing someone good looking, but its not right to give unwanted attention when you know its unwanted. And that's really what's at the root issue of guys bothering girls who look 'sexy.' The guys know the attention is unwanted, but they try to say its the girls fault because that's what guys do. Its a ridiculous NT game fashioned after the story of adam and eve. The man does what he wants and then says SHE made me do it.

You know, men can be sexually harassed also. Not as common, but it happens. Unfortunately for men, most people don't take it seriously, so they are left to suffer.

Why is it that no one anywhere can have a single conversation about something that affects women without someone bringing up the obvious "what about men; it happens to them too!"? It's always something that affects women more often and more profoundly. There's a reason people don't take it seriously: sexual harassment of men typically comes with zero threat of violence or aggression, and it does not occur within the context of an all-pervasive culture that values men almost solely as pretty things to look at/have sex with that has been battering their sense of self since childhood. The two types of harassment are not the same thing, and the juxtaposition borders on offensive.

I can sympathise with leering men for reasons that would be obvious if you knew me.

Women wear skimpy clothing for several reasons:
1)it's hot, and/or they are exercising and don't want to melt. This is the only reason I have ever worn skimpy things in public - in my case, biker shorts and a t-shirt or tank-top when I was on my way to varsity crew practice. It was purely for constructive purposes, and not an invitation for a man to touch me; while I'm sure that I got some looks, I was usually in too much of a hurry to notice. Thankfully, no one ever tried to grope me.

2)They're dressing up because they're on their way to a date with their boyfriend/girfriend/spouse. This is a deliberate attempt to look nice, but it's for a specific guy/girl and still not an invitation for people in general to grope them.

3)They want to look good in general. As previously stated, this has to do with pride - and there's nothing wrong with that. In this case, women will notice and appreciate looks, but it's STILL not an inviation for random people to stare for minutes at a time and/or grope them.

I don't know about where you live but in summer here it's almost always anywhere from 82.5 degrees to 95 degrees, and occasionally gets over that - coupled with anywhere from 70%-90% humidity. (Which makes it seem like it's another few degrees hotter than it actually is)
In such circumstances, short shorts and short skirts and tops that are light are kind of a necessity.

I know I can be seriously creeped out by certain female individuals here in my neighbourhood, those sadly enough all are from the same age range, hygiene range and weight range though.

When my Grandfather was a lad (early 1900s in the US), the most exciting body part a young man could hope to see was a girl's ankle, and that only by accident, not intentionally.

Scandalous harlots.

This has been a good disussion. I think I understand the mini skirt better. Looking at times gone by we wonder at how anyone could think an ankle is racy.

But this is the thing that gets me. Mini skirts and little shorts are now a common site in New York, but men still think they are sexy, whereas ankles not so much. So does this now come down to what the media portrays as sexy? That annoys me because I want to go about my business and not be objectified. But if the media are telling men such and such is sexy and you ought to feel this way about it, then are they being brain washed or are they just naturally aroused by thighs more than ankles. I am confused.

Nothing to do with media telling us what to like, its built in programmed sexual instinct that rather than being scent triggered as in much of the animal kingdom, its visually triggered, it is as distressing to a male human to be exposed to such sexual triggers as modern women expose, as it is to a stallion to be tethered next to a mare on heat.

You woman can never know how difficult it is for a man who is presented with the visual stimuli of an attractive woman in tight white hot pants, where even the outline of the vulva is clearly defined, to just ignore it and look away, once that part of our brain is activated not by anything we have chosen to do, but by your insensitivity's, we do become like "chimpanzees" were the only thing that matters is pro-creation, its like the rest of the world disapears and there is only that one thing to look at.

I think this is something the Islamic world has still retained and that was only recently dropped by the Christian world, Iam not talking about the extremes of the burka, but Muslim women can still look beautiful but without looking like they are on the front cover of some lads magazine which knows the power I have described and uses it to sell magazines.

Another aspect is that the lonely men who have no outlet for these desires that are forced on us by nature, Aspies for instance, are often so used to being completely ignored by womankind, that we actually feel invisible, like we are watching a porn film, not appreciating that we are not in fact really invisible, but the woman can actually see us staring and is being made uncomfortable by it, not something we would wish but not the first thing that comes into our heads under such situations.

Hats off to Hurtloam for having such consideration, for the rest of you, wear what you like by all means, but please dont be nasty to menfolk you have driven to distraction by your choices, you might well have ruined their day by filling their vision with something they would rather not be reminded of, I remember a trip to the Zoo once where after being exposed to such sexual stimuli, all I could think of after that was this sexual image I did not choice to expose myself to.

Just consider if you find a man that is starving to death and you chose to sit in front of him so he can watch you eat your takeaway because it is your right to eat in public, but please dont also critise him after you have tortured him so because he didnt chose to turn away and he kept dribbling.

Nambo, your comment makes me think about the meaning of the word modest. I think some people view it as meaning covered up, but something sticks in my mind that I read or heard a long while back about modesty being a "taking of other people's feelings into consideration".

However, from a female perspective you must understand that it is irritating that my body should be any source of discomfort to other people. It's not your fault if that's how your brain is wired. But it's a just such an irritation that I can't just be without this nuisance of a thing.

But then I just feel like life would be so much easier without sexual attraction. Of course if that were the case all life would cease to exist because no one would pro-create, but it's annoying that it gets in the way of every day things like wearing a strappy top on a hot day.

I found the comparison to a starving men simply wrong, because you can simply go rub yourself and its done. Yeah guess, thats what I do, when I am horny and there is nothing bad about comforting yourself when your horny, but cant help it with a partner. Noone forces you to torture yourself by staying horny instead of simply easing it down the normal way. If your religious, there is even a bible part, where it is described how you can rub yourself propperly, so no, its not forbidden. ^^ Beside there are tons of advertisements and other stuff with naked women, and until now I wouldnt have seen that there were hords of drooling men before them, unable to move.

And yes it is simply about media and societys normality. So as example in the Spas of my country its normal for everyone to be naked because of hygenia, and nobody feels himself forced to suffer because of this or gets magically forced through bad womans fault to stare at vulvas. (Yeah, you cannot see them through the cloth, you can see everything simply the way it is.) Why? Simply because its normal to be in spas in my country to be completely naked. So why should anyone waste a thought about something that is supposed to be normal? While in the opposite, people would wonder themselves and be disgusted if you wear cloths. If you would go into the spa with a bathsuit or whatever, people would stare at you because of not being normal in my society. And yes sure, you meet a real sexy guy there from now and then that makes your Mumu wet. But until now the world hasnt disappeared except for his cock. ^^ What you describe is a behavement that is acceptable for very young men that are at the start of puberty in my country, so when they start to get that intense feelings, it is at the beginning a problem for them, but it isnt one that cant be managed. So yes, its pretty normal when you are around 13, and you are in bath that one of your malefriends will stay in the pool, when everyone elses wants to leave and try to find excuses until he simply tells, that he does not want to get out of the pool, because of actually having an erection he cant help and that wont go away. This is normal and accepted for young men, because you couldnt work on handling that before, because before it didnt happen. There is nothing bad about and we are even able to talk to our gym teachers about it. (So we had also swimming for gym.) But its something you can work on, and you are supposed to work on it. While the response to an 13 year old is simply: "Ehhhrr...yes ok...so you come and join us, when you feel comfortable." a grown up person is supposed to be in control of his thoughts, simply because instead of the 13 year old that couldnt work on it until now, the grown up person had that time.

Because you are supposed to work on it, thats why there is an age limit for having sex. Nobody thinks that grown up persons are less horny then young teenagers. But while the teenager couldnt until now learn how to deal with his hornyness while managing to think propper, a grown up person is supposed to do so. Grown ups are not less horny. But they are simply supposed to have trained themselves to be able to think, EVEN when they are horny. Thats why the adult one gets blamed when he has sex with a too young boy or girl, while the teen is not. Not because of the grown up being less horny then the teen, but because the grown up is supposed to work on himself as a teen until he is able to behave propper and be able to control his acting, anyway how horny he is.

Women get horny too, if not they wouldnt want to have sex ever. And there are enough stories about 14 year old girls, trying to get sexual with the male gym teacher, or knows hell what, because of them not having learned until then how to handle this feelings. But as an adult woman you are expected to be able to deal with this feeling, and so are man as well. If you still have problems with dealing with your sexual feelings, then simply start to work on it. So I know from my partner, whom I already knew as a teen, that if he was focused to much on my presence, leading to unedequate body movement below his waists while having family events, that he forced himself on thinking on his died grandfather. So he had to work on it and practice it too. Nowadays he dont need to think at special things or persons, but has simply learned to control his feelings, at least so much that he doesnt need to be afraid to be physical exposed. And I also know no other males, that still get erections in public, so it seems that all of them simply have worked on themselves, and that they were able to do so.

I repreat, its fully acceptable that this is something that cant be acchieved from one second to the other, and that people need some time to work on it. So if you are still young, dont bother yourself, but simply work on it. But if your already adult, you really, really should work on it, because whiles its understandable, accepted and funny by small 13 year old boys not to have learned to have control over themselves, and to have some small accidents at the beginning while having mixed swim class or standing in front of a young female teacher you think to be beautiful. As a man doing so you are easily suspected to be dangerous or pervert, simply because until then you are supposed by people to have worked on that.

Seriously, what verse in the bible says that?