Women should be able to form boundaries against males

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What of men who want the same? It's not the men's fault there are so few stalls in their restroom. Often there is only one stall and the rest is just open pee-bins. It's really annoying if there is only one stall and you have to take a dump, and that one stall is often occupied, vandalised or ruined. Several times I've tried to get in to the only stall that was permanently locked by some prankster.

What of men who want the same? It's not the men's fault there are so few stalls in their restroom. Often there is only one stall and the rest is just open pee-bins. It's really annoying if there is only one stall and you have to take a dump, and that one stall is often occupied, vandalised or ruined. Several times I've tried to get in to the only stall that was permanently locked by some prankster.[/quote]

I can sympathise, but you're not really selling me the idea of letting men share our restrooms

Then why not just get rid of urinals in the mens' bathroom?

Or at least place more stalls. But urinals are probably cheaper or easier to clean or something.

Great, now I have something else to worry about than germs and lack of privacy in public bathrooms. Guess I'll have to start wearing adult diapers when I go out. But then I'd have to worry about leaks and odors and the fact that it would be the single most humiliating thing in the world!! !

A few things have been brought up in this thread. Which one are you referring to by "something else to worry about"? I'm confused.

Men who dribble pee on the floor in front of the toilet do so because they're standing too far from the bowl. Piss poor aim my arse, they need to be re-potty trained from scratch, or they need to realize that their penis isn't long enough to justify the distance between them and the bowl.

This was one of my first BF's most disgusting habits. And if I ever get another BF who does this I'll be insultingly sticking puppy training pads on the floor.

Only if they have their dong cut off and take female hormones.

Otherwise, no.

But how would you know whether or not they've had bottom surgery if years of female hormone have completely feminized their appearance?

You wouldn't.

Carry an ID card (you know, apply for it when you meet the criteria).

They make people need them for handicapped parking/toilets. Same thing.

Than why does it matter? aren't they entitled to privacy in the restroom....or should females start peeking on each other to make sure there's no transgender people who haven't had surger or people born without a specific sex for that matter who might not have a proper vagina. I don't know that makes me much more uncomfortable than the prospect of sharing the restroom with such people.

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 31 Jan 2015, 4:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What about male nature? Sometimes us menz want to have OUR own group preferences where women aren't allowed. That's why women have been historically excluded from certain institutions and professions: Given the fact that most men(& women too) are straight, the presence of women creates sexual tension for both genders so there are times where men want to be around each other without the presence of women. And I've observed that guys do treat each other better and bond with each other under those circumstances because there's no competition for female attention and affection. That's why boys in coed schools do worse academically than boys in sex segregated schools.

But it is true that women want spaces that are exclusive to the female gender, like gender-specific restrooms, because there is the real danger of rape. But this idea that trans-women are men disguising themselves as women so they can rape cis-gendered women in public restrooms is a paranoid 2nd wave feminist delusion. Now you need to understand that you cannot prove anything with statistics! All you can do is demonstrate likelyhood. But there IS strong statistical data that women are more likely to be victims of rape than adult men. The only circumstances where men rape each other systematically are when they are involuntarily isolated from the opposite sex. So if you're going to employ evolutionary psychology in your arguments, you need to make sure that you actually understand it.

Oh for f***s sake...how then would they determine who needs to show the ID card, what if they think someone is transgender who was born a female refuse them entry because they cannot provide proof they where born that way?

ID card checks at the entrance? Did you know you can change the sex designation on your U.S. passport without undergoing sex reassignment surgery?

I think that trans women should be able to use the women's bathroom. They may have been born male, but they consider themselves female, so why not? If they looked feminine enough, no one would be able to tell.

They should be able to use the bathroom without "ID checks" or anything like that. Its just silly in my opinion. They are people too and they have a right to privacy.