Extreme antifeminst men

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anti-feminists of all genders are equally irritating but not for all of the same reasons.
(it was mostly a joke )

I actually discussed these concerns in a thread in the PPR if you want to check it out.

People like that drive me crazy to no end. In high school, I once had a boyfriend who was like that. He seemed like a sweet guy when I first started dating him, but that was just his bait. As far as he was concerned, I was not even a human being. He wanted to marry me young and have me barefoot and pregnant. To him, I wasn't a human. To him, I was just a future housemaid/baby maker, and a pretty face to show off to his friends. Thank goodness I dumped his sorry bum.

I think criticism of feminism sometimes gets banded under that label. Also it is perfectly valid to question perception of inequality and research which is not always empirical.

Some anti-femunism is based on thinking that is is an outmoded approach to equality.

For instance intersectional feminism is interested in all sort of groups beyond women. Yet it often pitches it all against the "patriarchy" and "white male privilege". I'm not a fan of over simplistic arguments, like that.

if anyone has a social theory of any kind, it should be open to criticism. Some when people try to use weapomised buzzwords to try an shut down debate, I natrual have something to say about ti.

In fact is was extreme instersectional feminists who influenced negatively the University of Missouri protests, despite it not being a women's issue.

I broadly support the peaceful protests against poor quality policing in deprived communities.

Nora Parks, Martin Luther King Jr. and others fought to remove segreation, especially in education. The University of Missouri protests were an affront to civil rights, and a brand of feminism has quite a lot to do with promoting the flawed ideologies behind those sorts of actions.

I am male, I come in peace.

Some men who are branded as anti-feminist are not really. Men like to pretend to their friends that they are lord and master of their homes, but it's not true. It very much takes the combined effort of both partners to maintain a good relationship.
Men who dislike the idea of women being equal are indeed idiots, but they are not as prevalent as made out.
They are, as you stated, the extreme.

The group I find most interesting are the males who say they are feminists but are actually not.
I think you know the sort.

Which is worse?

Yeah I have concerns as to whether current feminism is even about equality, and not just going on to the other extreme of females being seen as superior...or like our rights matter more. It doesn't mean I am 'anti-feminist' I am just not so sure I want to identify as such especially when I think there is a lot of negativity and toxic behavior encouraged in current feminist culture/or at least parts of it.

For instance the attitude of "I don't need a male to survive, so f*** off you men' seems to have tainted the movement, I don't think everyone who calls them-self a feminist is like that, but I certainly do notice that attitude from some IRL or who have written blogs/internet article things. Honestly not sure its time its replaced with another movement...or if it can be salvaged.

the problem is anyone can call themselves a feminist, and its up to everyone else to decide whether what they are advocating for is or isn't feminist. my boyfriend thinks feminism is stupid. i think he's usually right or sometimes misinformed about the specific things he finds stupid under the name of feminism. the difference is i think he is a feminist and he thinks he is not.

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this woman is cool.

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I like intellectual feminists who are not into male bashing/shaming.

I increasingly identify as anti-feminist, though in a very literal and Aspie way, as my problems are not so much with the goals of feminism as they are with the actual feminists I encounter and the means they use to pursue those goals. It's one of those weird things where, having grown up in the 90s in Seattle, I had this idea that as a person who values free speech and opposes censorship, my opponents would largely be social conservatives and the religious right, but in practice, they've been left wing feminists, who also seem to want to tear down due process and institute Orwellian thought policing, causing me to reevaluate my previously positive impressions of them.
To be clear, I'm all for women's rights and equality, what I have a problem with is the way the intersectional social justice school of feminism that is currently ascendant is going about it, and am choosing to identify as explicitly against that.

I dismiss somebody who claims that I'm part of a "patriarchy."

I'm a strong believer in womens rights.

What is an extreme anti feminist man?

Is it a man that doesn't support nuanced equality for women? If yes I have met a few of them, this attitude reflects their limitations/fears/vulnerabilities, like most societal problems I think its a product of their environment.

I've been a feminist for the greatest part of my life - I started very young -, and during my teenage years I was part of the radical movement. I don't agree with their approaches anymore, though I do value much of their theory. There's a point in what they're saying.

That said, I don't feel quite connected to them anymore because they feel men shouldn't participate, which I find illogical and counterproductive. On the other hand, I also feel there must be a certain demeanor to be followed, especially on the male side, for the movement to work. What must be understood is that feminism is a movement created to fight for and protect women's rights, and so, even though it's a fight for equality, it's viewed from the perspective of the imbalance towards the female side. I think men shouldn't feel offedend by feminism; rather they should participate and try to understand the female perspective. It's not about you specifically; it's about a whole cultural structure we're all part of.

As for the op, yes, it's a bit annoying. It's the same feeling I get from when NTs don't quite understand what autism is. Many people base their views of feminism on stereotypes or local groups. But there are many forms of feminisms and many types of feminists. Just like everything else in life. Even if we say our common goal is egalitarianism, the very understanding of this word differs from one approach to the other. So it's a bit more complex than 'feminists don't like men' or such.

Out of interest what school or theories would that be?

I suspect that in many that are critical aren't doing it because they don't know, but more becuase the don't agree with those theories. I don't agree with or take as given certain social theories.

There is a differnce between those that just turn their nose up at a concept and those that criticise ideas and have thought about it.

It is really important for any movement to foster a critical environment, resistance to this should be treated with suspicion.

I also don't think these "fringe" groups have no influence, they do have influence and we have witnessed it in the past years.

If they aren't countered from within the movement, then someone has to do it.

In my early days, I used to follow Andrea Dworkin (radfem, anti-pornography) and Gloria Steinem (second wave, also anti-pornography) - especially the latter.

Nowadays I align more with Judith Butler (third wave, queer theory, postmodernism; influenced by Foucault), because I tend to view gender as a "performative" construction. (You could say that's a special interest I have.)