The_Face_of_Boo
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12 Aug 2016, 3:11 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
This is true. Here are some more in depth statistics on it.
Slate Article: Women Aren't Properly Represented in Scientific Studies
Though at least the problem is getting some attention these days, and cohorts are more frequently including males and females.
Quite frankly, the idea that "women are complicated" due to menstrual cycles, which I actually had a doctor tell me just the other week, is archaic, and a cop out for scientific laziness that would not fly in any other system in any other in industry.
I imagine if you took your computer to the repair shop and they declined to fix it because "computers are complicated", or if you took your car to the mechanic and they declined to fix it because "cars are complicated", or if you called a plumber to fix your plumbing but he or she just shrugged and said "Well, plumbing is complicated", wrote you an invoice, and walked out.
A menstrual cycle is a cyclic, biological process which has an underlying logic which can be vetted out, just like any other cyclic process. It is complex but not based on magic and not beyond the comprehension of someone of average intelligence.
In my industry, we deal with complex processes all the time, and shrugging your shoulders and saying "it's complicated" like that's a valid answer to anything doesn't fly.
From that article, it turns out that researchers are in often being too egalitarians in their analysis - not considering much sex differences, or lack awareness of them.
Also the effects of experimental drugs on pregnancy later on is a scary one, I bet even female researchers would hesitate to include women in their research regarding some drug that can have side effect on future pregnancy.
The article saying that they should be tested on women equally even on pregnant ones no matter what.....however there's a question of ethics and human conscience here - who is gonna bear the responsibility of future bad pregnancies? Researchers are humans after all and they would get worried.
"These discrepancies influence what is likely to ail you. For instance, three times as many women suffer from autoimmune diseases as men, and the statistics are reversed for autism. "
Not true for all autoimmune diseases, pediatric autoimmune diseases are more common in men, Type 1 diabetes for example is more common in boys, and it is not really a subtle disease that can go under the radar.
...and Autism is still a mystery, they still don't know what it is really, they still can't lump it with autoimmune diseases, this is just still a theory - and Autism is still to this day, only a psychiatric diagnosis ; not a medical one, it still has no known molecular etiology (in simple English: no biological/organic definition) - this is very important to understand.
I don't know why they use more male lab animals too, maybe because they prefer to keep more females alive to fasten breeding - this makes sense on hereditary genes studies.
and also:
[img]https://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-c2d747b8f87de19ab374ebb4b80f9438[/img
Yet prostate is a bigger killer than breast cancer:
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... 6794504245
Quote:
Since 2003 women's health research received more than $833 million from the National Health and Medical Research Council compared to less than $200 million for men.
Breast cancer received $60 million more than prostate cancer and ovarian cancer $64 million more than testicular cancer.
Breast cancer received $60 million more than prostate cancer and ovarian cancer $64 million more than testicular cancer.
So who is right? I dunno
but news.com.au sounds a more reliable source overall than New York Post.I guess that is what happens when people spread around that sex and race don't exist and are just social constructs. I mean obviously there are some differences between males and females, as for race not only do different ones have different hair structure(a difference) but some diseases effect some ethnic groups more than others. The idea all humans are exactly the same doesn't really serve much purpose.
There was an experiment on monkeys showed that their males prefer to play with wheeled objects (boys toys) rather than with baby dolls while female monkeys played equally with both...surely the monkeys aren't affected by human social constructs.
The key is to embrace these differences rather than hating them.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... boys-toys/
12 Aug 2016, 7:54 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
This is true. Here are some more in depth statistics on it.
Slate Article: Women Aren't Properly Represented in Scientific Studies
Though at least the problem is getting some attention these days, and cohorts are more frequently including males and females.
Quite frankly, the idea that "women are complicated" due to menstrual cycles, which I actually had a doctor tell me just the other week, is archaic, and a cop out for scientific laziness that would not fly in any other system in any other in industry.
I imagine if you took your computer to the repair shop and they declined to fix it because "computers are complicated", or if you took your car to the mechanic and they declined to fix it because "cars are complicated", or if you called a plumber to fix your plumbing but he or she just shrugged and said "Well, plumbing is complicated", wrote you an invoice, and walked out.
A menstrual cycle is a cyclic, biological process which has an underlying logic which can be vetted out, just like any other cyclic process. It is complex but not based on magic and not beyond the comprehension of someone of average intelligence.
In my industry, we deal with complex processes all the time, and shrugging your shoulders and saying "it's complicated" like that's a valid answer to anything doesn't fly.
From that article, it turns out that researchers are in often being too egalitarians in their analysis - not considering much sex differences, or lack awareness of them.
Also the effects of experimental drugs on pregnancy later on is a scary one, I bet even female researchers would hesitate to include women in their research regarding some drug that can have side effect on future pregnancy.
The article saying that they should be tested on women equally even on pregnant ones no matter what.....however there's a question of ethics and human conscience here - who is gonna bear the responsibility of future bad pregnancies? Researchers are humans after all and they would get worried.
"These discrepancies influence what is likely to ail you. For instance, three times as many women suffer from autoimmune diseases as men, and the statistics are reversed for autism. "
Not true for all autoimmune diseases, pediatric autoimmune diseases are more common in men, Type 1 diabetes for example is more common in boys, and it is not really a subtle disease that can go under the radar.
...and Autism is still a mystery, they still don't know what it is really, they still can't lump it with autoimmune diseases, this is just still a theory - and Autism is still to this day, only a psychiatric diagnosis ; not a medical one, it still has no known molecular etiology (in simple English: no biological/organic definition) - this is very important to understand.
I don't know why they use more male lab animals too, maybe because they prefer to keep more females alive to fasten breeding - this makes sense on hereditary genes studies.
and also:
[img]https://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-c2d747b8f87de19ab374ebb4b80f9438[/img
Yet prostate is a bigger killer than breast cancer:
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... 6794504245
Quote:
Since 2003 women's health research received more than $833 million from the National Health and Medical Research Council compared to less than $200 million for men.
Breast cancer received $60 million more than prostate cancer and ovarian cancer $64 million more than testicular cancer.
Breast cancer received $60 million more than prostate cancer and ovarian cancer $64 million more than testicular cancer.
So who is right? I dunno
but news.com.au sounds a more reliable source overall than New York Post.I guess that is what happens when people spread around that sex and race don't exist and are just social constructs. I mean obviously there are some differences between males and females, as for race not only do different ones have different hair structure(a difference) but some diseases effect some ethnic groups more than others. The idea all humans are exactly the same doesn't really serve much purpose.
There was an experiment on monkeys showed that their males prefer to play with wheeled objects (boys toys) rather than with baby dolls while female monkeys played equally with both...surely the monkeys aren't affected by human social constructs.
The key is to embrace these differences rather than hating them.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... boys-toys/
NT female primates, in general, tend to be obsessed with the babies of their species. They will stalk females with babies. Of course we must be careful not to think the general case applies to every individual, as all things biological have variation.
On a side note, there is a particular monkey species...not a common one. The males are very maternal, and exploit this to their advantage. When a male of this species feels threatened by another male, he will take a baby and put it on his back, because the other male will not attack him while he is in possession of a baby.
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