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31 May 2007, 12:18 pm

I'm not saying that. Some people are as*holes, others are wonderful people. Acting like you're under siege will not help your cause. Being wary can be invaluable though.



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31 May 2007, 6:03 pm

Mainstream porn keeps me happy and free from holding in sexual desire.



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31 Jul 2007, 7:19 am

Reading this has made me ashamed to be a guy. :oops: I think more moral men need to get out there and denounce this type of entertainment, and that anyone who finds pleasure in others pain are sick people that need serious psychological help.



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31 Jul 2007, 7:27 am

trabre2003 wrote:
Reading this has made me ashamed to be a guy. :oops: I think more moral men need to get out there and denounce this type of entertainment, and that anyone who finds pleasure in others pain are sick people that need serious psychological help.
Well, it's good to see you have some standards. I don't think all mainstream porn portrays cruelty but it definitely gives an unrealistic view of sex where people are just there to be exploited and love is never part of the equation.


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31 Jul 2007, 7:58 am

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It may be short to you, but i dont have time to waste.
Im too busy masturbating to porn :P


Evil, evil, evil. :D


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06 Aug 2007, 7:15 am

subatai_baadur wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism

Porn does not objectify women. People do what they can to get money, plain and simple. Moreover, some women enjoy sex and enjoy having it videotaped, same as some men do. Decrying it as anti-feminist just to videotape sex is cruel; I consider it on par with homophobia and various other sexual preferences that have been put down. You make these poor women who just want to release their sexual energy feel like they're somehow damaging their gender.
Well they are damaging their gender, Subatai, because we want to be seen as other than sex objects. Sure, sex is fine, but not when people are pressured to conform to some unrealistic stereotype.

I think you would also find that in most porn movies, the actual process of filming is quite boring and uncomfortable (think of all the hot lights and re-takes). So, I think it's rather naive of you to feel sorry for the porn women, most of whom are in it just for the money and nothing else.


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09 Aug 2007, 12:41 pm

Hey there...new to the site and just had to toss my hat in, as it were. While I can see the point of the article, and also agree that too much of this is is indeed damaging to our so-called culture, I happen to enjoy watching most slave/punishment films, but there are still some areas that even I find distasteful in the extreme. There is a sort of purity and peace in becoming an object, but only if the situation is tightly controlled and the participants genuinely care for each other. Unfortunately, this type of scene is not very common, and it truly is disturbing when ownership of the sub is "taken", rather than willingly and lovingly given. Being the sub is a huge gift to your parter(s), and every care must be taken to ensure the experience is what all had in mind. I think what I'm trying to say in the end, is that as a culture, we really should take a closer look at the motivations behind much of what we do, and try to ease the endless rage most of our species has twoards itself. Violent porn is just a symptom of a larger problem, an entire species infected with massive self-hatred. Fix that, and many of our other symptoms will go away.



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10 Aug 2007, 3:58 pm

90% of porn (at least!) is bad, but 90% of anything is bad. I agree porn has taken a turn towards the nasty in recent years, but I simply vote with the remote, and don't view that sort of porn.



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11 Aug 2007, 7:46 am

I don't watch it all because it is BORING!


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18 Aug 2007, 3:53 pm

Hello

Look I am man and I watch porn. Jeez I wish I didn't, I feel guilty about it ... I am confused about it. I don't want to be cruel to women, I don't want my recreation to have any negative effects on people.

For years I crucified myself about masturbation - after the moment my smile would turn into a frown and a deep sense of shame spread through me.

I went for 2 weeks without porn a while back and I will try again. It's not easy if you are used to it.

Haven't had a girlfriend in a long-time and I ... this just seems simpler easier. My memories of having girlfriends are shot through with intense pain, being let down, not understanding why ?

I don't know what to do about this all, I am not a bad person.



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19 Aug 2007, 10:32 am

You're not a bad person, you are curious and have very normal biological urges. The gratification with porn is really a fantacy. Remember, these people are getting paid to do this stuff, and they are usually consenting.. there is little small talk, and the man is usually the only one who really gets off in the deal. Not to mention the large amount of takes and retakes that have to be done as well as the differring camera angles and lenses. Its a job, to them and they may or may not like it. it makes money. Porn is easy, because its non committal. Real life is awkward and can take some getting used to, not to mention a lot of communication.
There is a lot of objectification in porn, of course, but it is usually fictional in many senses. I am not really into it, but could understand the mindset and the reason it is accessed a lot. Dont draw your reality on this stuff, because it would probably attract some really messed up relationships.

If you really look at it, many pornstars are a kind of caricature of the ideally voluptious woman. These women are paid to look like that and probably had to put a lot of work into it. It is their job after all.



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19 Aug 2007, 12:51 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Here's what you teach your daughter: Act like she is open minded, get the guy to admit his darkest thoughts and dump the ones who admit it. Teach her to be objective about dating and not emotional. She can let that happen after she actually gets to know them. It's either that or get her five brothers and move to a small town so they know everything about every guy who asks her out. That does effectively take care of those problems.

As to objectifying and abusing women, it's been around since "civilization" at least. Women were viewed as property and abused as such for thousands of years. Porn is just allowing those men to fantasize that it is still like that. That's it. It isn't mind control, it's already there. If you don't think that then you haven't been around when they talk to each other and think you can't hear. That is the true wake up call. Just do that a few times and all of your illusions will be gone for good.


Er, and why? We all have dark thoughts, men and women. Just because we have these thoughts doesn't mean we're going to carry them out on your brood or anyone else's. So the siege mentality is not helpful.


Indeed. There is a distinct difference between thoughts and actions. Having evil thoughts does not make one an evil person; doing evil actions does. In some cases (mental illness) people cannot control those thoughts. It's wrong to classify everyone with violent thoughts as evil people; that's stereotyping people.


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22 Aug 2007, 4:18 am

The sad part is that men see emacipated women who pose for that type of art, and they expect all women to be able to reach such unrealistic ideals.

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10 Feb 2009, 4:39 pm

When I watch pron, my favorate big is when the woman is having an orgasm.


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10 Feb 2009, 5:04 pm

Quote:
Mainstream porn sexualizes cruelty


Whether this is an issue or not depends on your sexual preference, I think :wink:



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10 Feb 2009, 6:39 pm

This is an excellent thread but as one who used to own and operate a porn site I should point out that about 85% of the production and distribution operations are owned and operated by females and not men. It is money that drives the porn industry and not sexuality.
It is also interesting to know that the primary web servers hosting the bulk of distributed porn are owned and operated by some very mainstream US corportaions such as Time-Werner and Disney who could care less about the content of what they serve so long as the money roles in.
Porn equals money and not sex and to get the two things confused can be confusing.


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