03 Mar 2008, 12:19 am
03 Mar 2008, 12:24 am
03 Mar 2008, 11:21 am
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Enough bickering you guys, back on topic. I Wholeheartedly believe based on my own experience and observations that in America today, sexism against men is FAR more socially acceptable than sexism against women. Whenever there's a conflict between a man and a woman(that is-amongst the urban white middle class), the men will side with her against him in order to gain social approval and garnish their image as a gentleman. Women almost ALWAYS support each other whenever one of them has "issues" with a man.
True sexism isn't about petty insults and bitching about the opposite gender; that is acceptable. Annoying, but acceptable, on both sides.
Sexism is the subjugation, mutilation and the treatment of a person as a second-class citizen based on their gender. Worldwide, throughout all of society and all of history, women have suffered proportionately more by far in these ways than men have. And we still are treated as lower than those born with male privilege. Yes, even in western society. Lower wages, lower respect and lower tolerance for our "flaws".
That is probably why women are so defensive when verbally attacked by men: Just look at all the sh*t we've had to put up with for millennia. Should we be continually insulted on top of all of that? A little respect is in order, perhaps?
And so because of the hardships that your female ancestors face which YOU yourself do not have to face, you think you're entitled to sympathy and society should hold you to a lower standard because you are female.....
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03 Mar 2008, 11:32 am
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Enough bickering you guys, back on topic. I Wholeheartedly believe based on my own experience and observations that in America today, sexism against men is FAR more socially acceptable than sexism against women. Whenever there's a conflict between a man and a woman(that is-amongst the urban white middle class), the men will side with her against him in order to gain social approval and garnish their image as a gentleman. Women almost ALWAYS support each other whenever one of them has "issues" with a man.
True sexism isn't about petty insults and bitching about the opposite gender; that is acceptable. Annoying, but acceptable, on both sides.
Sexism is the subjugation, mutilation and the treatment of a person as a second-class citizen based on their gender. Worldwide, throughout all of society and all of history, women have suffered proportionately more by far in these ways than men have. And we still are treated as lower than those born with male privilege. Yes, even in western society. Lower wages, lower respect and lower tolerance for our "flaws".
That is probably why women are so defensive when verbally attacked by men: Just look at all the sh*t we've had to put up with for millennia. Should we be continually insulted on top of all of that? A little respect is in order, perhaps?
And so because of the hardships that your female ancestors face which YOU yourself do not have to face, you think you're entitled to sympathy and society should hold you to a lower standard because you are female.....
And even then...you have to let go of the hate sometime, or it'll just never end. Though I admit I couldn't justify myself in telling that to a person who's been through such trials.
03 Mar 2008, 12:22 pm
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Enough bickering you guys, back on topic. I Wholeheartedly believe based on my own experience and observations that in America today, sexism against men is FAR more socially acceptable than sexism against women. Whenever there's a conflict between a man and a woman(that is-amongst the urban white middle class), the men will side with her against him in order to gain social approval and garnish their image as a gentleman. Women almost ALWAYS support each other whenever one of them has "issues" with a man.
True sexism isn't about petty insults and bitching about the opposite gender; that is acceptable. Annoying, but acceptable, on both sides.
Sexism is the subjugation, mutilation and the treatment of a person as a second-class citizen based on their gender. Worldwide, throughout all of society and all of history, women have suffered proportionately more by far in these ways than men have. And we still are treated as lower than those born with male privilege. Yes, even in western society. Lower wages, lower respect and lower tolerance for our "flaws".
That is probably why women are so defensive when verbally attacked by men: Just look at all the sh*t we've had to put up with for millennia. Should we be continually insulted on top of all of that? A little respect is in order, perhaps?
And so because of the hardships that your female ancestors face which YOU yourself do not have to face, you think you're entitled to sympathy and society should hold you to a lower standard because you are female.....
Yes, and men get blamed for discrimination for which they may not be personally responsible simply because of being male. I read an extreme example somewhere: 'If a man kills his wife, he's a monster; if a woman kills her husband, it's because he was a monster. '
I'm responsible for what I do. I'm not responsible for what other men do or have done.
03 Mar 2008, 3:16 pm
03 Mar 2008, 5:31 pm
My point is that things are still harder for us. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is sadly ill-informed...
D1nk0 wrote:
And so because of the hardships that your female ancestors face which YOU yourself do not have to face, you think you're entitled to sympathy and society should hold you to a lower standard because you are female.....
Not "held to a lower standard". I didn't say that; you are putting words in my mouth. To be treated with some modicum of respect is what I feel is appropriate.
Another point I have to make is that the main point of my last message was to point out how petty it is to whine about sexist insults in the face of all that has been inflicted upon us, as a gender, for millenia. We had to put up with a lot more for a long time, and still do. There are more important things to worry about than childish gender-specific sniping.
pbcoll wrote:
Yes, and men get blamed for discrimination for which they may not be personally responsible simply because of being male. I read an extreme example somewhere: 'If a man kills his wife, he's a monster; if a woman kills her husband, it's because he was a monster. '
I'm responsible for what I do. I'm not responsible for what other men do or have done.
I'm responsible for what I do. I'm not responsible for what other men do or have done.
Popular opinions are irrelevant. Killing people is wrong, and whether you are male or female you would be punished for such an act.
And I'm not asking you to "take responsibility". Just aknowledge that we have a tough time and that life is not as easy for us as you seem to think.
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03 Mar 2008, 7:59 pm
03 Mar 2008, 8:01 pm
03 Mar 2008, 8:26 pm
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr-if I were to agree with you about your claim that things are still harder for women WHAT would it accomplish for you?
I'd have more respect for your intelligence.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you would Aridarr
, especially since you keep insulting mine. 
Thats the pathetic irony about you; you only *respect* men who are foolish enough to buy into your "victim status" ploy
but I certainly wont kiss ass to those who insult my intelligence
.
03 Mar 2008, 8:42 pm
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr-if I were to agree with you about your claim that things are still harder for women WHAT would it accomplish for you?
I'd have more respect for your intelligence.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you would Aridarr
, especially since you keep insulting mine. Thats the pathetic irony about you; you only *respect* men who are foolish enough to buy into your "victim status" ploy
but I certainly wont kiss ass to those who insult my intelligence
.No. I respect people who take the time to understand perspectives other than their own and acknowledge that they don't have the market cornered on discrimination and suffering. This is something I always try to do, myself.
But, in many senses, in this instance I believe I am correct in my assumption: life, in general, is harder for women.
03 Mar 2008, 9:07 pm
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr-if I were to agree with you about your claim that things are still harder for women WHAT would it accomplish for you?
I'd have more respect for your intelligence.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you would Aridarr
, especially since you keep insulting mine. Thats the pathetic irony about you; you only *respect* men who are foolish enough to buy into your "victim status" ploy
but I certainly wont kiss ass to those who insult my intelligence
.No. I respect people who take the time to understand perspectives other than their own and acknowledge that they don't have the market cornered on discrimination and suffering. This is something I always try to do, myself.
But, in many senses, in this instance I believe I am correct in my assumption: life, in general, is harder for women.
Well you cleary wont take the time to try and understand perspectives other than YOUR Own. When I explained why I dont agree the ONLY thing you bothered to reply to was the last sentence. As if you didnt even read the rest of the f*****g paragraph. You Reap what you Sow Aridarr; talk about being closed-minded
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03 Mar 2008, 9:17 pm
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr-if I were to agree with you about your claim that things are still harder for women WHAT would it accomplish for you?
I'd have more respect for your intelligence.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you would Aridarr
, especially since you keep insulting mine. Thats the pathetic irony about you; you only *respect* men who are foolish enough to buy into your "victim status" ploy
but I certainly wont kiss ass to those who insult my intelligence
.No. I respect people who take the time to understand perspectives other than their own and acknowledge that they don't have the market cornered on discrimination and suffering. This is something I always try to do, myself.
But, in many senses, in this instance I believe I am correct in my assumption: life, in general, is harder for women.
Well you cleary wont take the time to try and understand perspectives other than YOUR Own. When I explained why I dont agree the ONLY thing you bothered to reply to was the last sentence. As if you didnt even read the rest of the f***ing paragraph. You Reap what you Sow Aridarr; talk about being closed-minded
.I read it, but I saw nothing worth acknowledging.
03 Mar 2008, 9:24 pm
Aridarr babbled:
Quote:
[I read it, but I saw nothing worth acknowledging.
And you WONDER why people refuse to show you sympathy and give in to your 'victim status' BS???
03 Mar 2008, 9:28 pm
Quote:
Another point I have to make is that the main point of my last message was to point out how petty it is to whine about sexist insults in the face of all that has been inflicted upon us, as a gender, for millenia. We had to put up with a lot more for a long time, and still do
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Its not fair!! !! Those evil bad men!!
Are women REALLY that weak and helpless that they must depend entirely on mens sympathy to advance themselves and get what they want.................................................
03 Mar 2008, 9:37 pm
D1nk0 wrote:
Aridarr wrote eloquently:
And you WONDER why people refuse to show you sympathy and give in to your 'victim status' BS???
Quote:
[I read it, but I saw nothing worth acknowledging.
And you WONDER why people refuse to show you sympathy and give in to your 'victim status' BS???
People do give me sympathy, when I need it.
But I'm not looking for sympathy; that’s not why I am arguing. I am arguing as I have a low tolerance for what I see as utter idiocy.
Which you just demonstrated, quite beautifully, in your last message. Thanks for that, Bucky.
Edit: Zing!
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