Things I have learned in life about being female

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I think it's his elaborate version of "It's all in your head, Dear."

Sorry, it was a reasonable inference since you mentioned sarcasm. Sarcasm is a component of satire, but they aren't quite the same.

Thoughts generally are.

its funny how the second post on this thread (which has now been deleted) very directly and crudely predicted the misunderstandings to come. i wish someone quoted it...it was quite genius. something to the effect of "1. 'all men are evil' and 2. 'its men's faults that my life is so terrible'". lol.

yeah, as it turns out, lots of women have experience being women that's how i understood the topic as well.
it also turns out that lots of women have similar thoughts about being women. sp00ky. our periods must be syncing up.

My mistake. Usually people quote the part of the conversation to which they're responding. I'm not sure why you would pick some other random part and quote it.



I'm just trying to understand you.

Sorry I was in the middle of replying and then had to run.

I love satire too. I think I get what you mean but this wasn't intended as satire. The best way I can think of to explain it - and I want to preface this by saying what I wrote was NOT intended as fiction in any way, I was writing about my real experiences - but it's kind of like when fiction is written from a limited first-person point of view. The narrative would be limited by that character's point of view, and they cannot explain what other characters are thinking or feeling.

When I was 7 I started narrating the events of my life in my head as they happened, as if I was writing a book. I don't do that anymore but I think I still have that sense of detachment, like I am watching myself and observing my life and then filtering through different layers of perspective. I wrote the OP as the part of myself who is the character living my life and having the experiences, rather than the detached observer. It was actually very difficult for me to write it that way which is why I stopped at #7.



Thank you.



There's a time and a place for that kind of criticism and on this forum, as far as I know it's supposed to be PPR. Not here. You are welcome start a new thread somewhere else, quote everything I said if you want and analyze it to pieces according to your own political philosophy. But I think it's out of place in this section.

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The stance I'm against is the idea of setting up sealed echo chambers for any demographic or interest group.

Ah...now I feel we are getting to the bottom of why you keep posting in this section the way you do. Why would a discussion about women's issues, whether it is women only or not, necessarily turn into an "echo chamber?"



I don't think it's even possible to do that. I also don't think that anyone has to be 100% open to criticism at all times. People have the right to reject criticism or shield against it when they choose to do so. It's also okay for people to want to have discussions sometimes with people who share similar perspectives.



Maybe so, but I don't know if I personally would participate in criticizing it. People talk about ideas all the time that I don't agree with, and I don't have the time to go around critiquing them. I don't think it's good or bad, just something you like to do.

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There's a time and a place for that kind of criticism and on this forum, as far as I know it's supposed to be PPR. Not here. You are welcome start a new thread somewhere else, quote everything I said if you want and analyze it to pieces according to your own political philosophy. But I think it's out of place in this section.

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I am inclined to agree Dianthus. PPR (with some notable exceptions) seems to me the most male dominated forum on WP, and (IMO) suffers from that inequity. If the reigning ethos and dominance there were to seep in or (even worse) hijack this particular subforum, then it would undermine the intention and potential benefit of female participation in this subforum. I hope that this never happens though the risk is an unsettling potential.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I objected to 0's post. This is not the place to have a debate about how women should think about their experiences and how to achieve the "right" kind of thinking. This is not the place to dictate to women what the "correct" interpretations of their experiences are. These things are specifically not supposed to happen in this forum, it is not designed for that kind of debate. That's what PPR is for. If you want to have that conversation you are free to have it in PPR, not in our forum.

If it was a guy who posted this then there would be a group of gals screaming he was a misogynist for saying those things and that he wasn't looking at his own faults and because he posted that, he was creating an unsafe space and triggered a couple of people who were criticised in the past or who still haven't gotten over the trauma of another kid sitting next to them in third grade and calling for mods to ban him and the whole women only forum idea would come back up, because it's never safe if a guy can type something that a womyn might accidentally feel she is forced to read because of the patriarchy.

It's not all the ladies who do this, just a particular group so I'm certainly not being misogynistic by saying this, and as haven't called that group names, but simply pointed out behavior, it's not a personal attack.

But that's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

This is a strange post, given that you set up a "women only" forum on your own site.

Time perhaps to post a friendly reminder to this forum's particular guidelines.


2) Involvement of male members.

While Wrong Planet rules do not prohibit posting by men in the Women’s Discussion, men who venture into this forum need to approach any reading or posting they do with an element of respect for the fact that they have just walked in on a conversation that should have little to do with them. This forum is intended to be more friendly to women, and to focus on issues unique to them.

3) Threads that say, "Women Only."

Members wishing to create threads for a restricted audience need to understand that it is not practical to prohibit members outside of the target group from reading or posting in the thread. Non-target members that enter the thread, however, are asked to treat the request - and the goals of the thread - with sensitivity and respect. Restricted threads should only be made if a poster feels there is a compelling reason to do so, and members tempted to post in violation of the request should only do so if they strongly feel they have positive, insightful information to contribute. Non-target posts that do not contribute valuable discussion may be removed at the discretion of a moderator.

4) Violating the goals of the forum.

Postings designed to mock or derail discussions of women’s issues or women’s interests on this board generally violate the Wrong Planet Terms of Service and will be removed. If this occurs, please contact an active moderator as listed here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt237032.html
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As in the Haven, there are particular provisions governing posting here (though different ones) - it is not a free-for-all nor is insinuation intended to belittle any group acceptable, here or on any other forum. Mutual consideration and respect enhance any forum. Peace.

When the post seems to be saying that men are slimy and have no respect for personal space then it is to do with them

I set that up because they kept asking for one. I never saw any need in it but since it seemed like a matter of life and death to some I said ok'll and gave them a private forum for it which they never used. I even said they could moderate it because God knows they don't want me there, but they didn't use it. It's all still sitting there, which makes me think that using a women's only forum wasn't the issue, and getting Alex to give them a women's only forum to prove it could be done was the issue. I don't agree with that bunch on anything really, so no, my post wasn't really strange at all. I had just been nice enough to offer them what they said they desperately needed, and it turns out the forum wasn't what they needed, changing how people think and having people give in to their requests and validate their ideas was what they needed, and my forum is small so there is no audience to see that they got their way, and I have a vagina so getting me to give them their girls only clubhouse isn't a very big achievement, to be an achievement someone with a penis needs to acquiesce to them. That is my opinion on the situation and it may or may not be true,but it's certainly not an attack. And it's shared by quite a few folks here as well, because we have discussed it Aaron t length away from here. And some of those who share it are female also, so it's not the evil men only saying it.

Again, just my opinion and NOT an attack.

Yep...well my main point was that as a female I feel like it's hard to have any space to myself without having a male intrude on it in some way. The irony is that the posts that were deleted just totally proved that point to me. But I don't understand how someone would translate it into meaning "all men are evil" or anything of that nature.

Wow, that's a lot of hate, OOM.

ROFL there is no hate anywhere. I'm just straightforward and say exactly what I think. You're pretty presumptuous there Skippy. But we are all allowed our opinions and it doesn't bother me at all that you took what I said entirely the wrong way.