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23 May 2014, 5:17 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:

blockhead90 wrote:

cubedemon6073 wrote:

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cubedemon6073 wrote:

What does Bill mean by a white Knight?

Suck ups.

So, those who don't agree with what you say are suck ups???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww

No, just you.

Calling me names, how quaint! :lol:

let's not feed the troll and give him what he wants, which is to disrupt this thread. i still think it's important that we as members make some sort of concerted effort to contact alex and let him know how we feel about this particular application of policy when it comes to sexism, and i am still open to suggestions as to how to make that happen if others are interested in participating.

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23 May 2014, 5:19 pm

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Edited to Add: I have no one to respond to the post yet. I wonder why that is. In fact, there are posts I make but no one seems to respond to. I wonder why.

Some of us have jobs.

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23 May 2014, 5:21 pm

Dox47 wrote:

cubedemon6073 wrote:

Edited to Add: I have no one to respond to the post yet. I wonder why that is. In fact, there are posts I make but no one seems to respond to. I wonder why.

Some of us have jobs.

in a forum for people with a pervasive developmental disorder, that's pretty low.

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23 May 2014, 5:31 pm

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Actually, Bill brings up a point worth addressing here, though I'm not sure it's the one he intended.

I might make an argument that all complaints about women aren't necessarily sexist, but the point with greater implications for WP is whether bashing feminists is considered sexist. Feminism is a political affiliation, not a gender or other protected status, and political affiliations are generally considered fair game for all sorts of generalizations and attacks here on WP, as are religions and other voluntary categorizations. If suddenly it's not okay to attack feminism, is it now forbidden to attack Republicans, Christians, and men's rights activists as well, for example, or is this a special carve out for feminism?

Yes,exactly. If a person can't say sh-t about feminist,then
a person can't say sh-t about Republicans, Christians, and men's rights activists either Right?

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23 May 2014, 5:44 pm

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Bill, your attitude is one of the big problems the site has with sexism. You make lots of sexist posts or threads or make remarks that are generally insulting or obnoxious towards women. If the moderators were to enforce the site rules against sexism more strongly I'm afraid that you'd be near the top of the list of people facing a permanent ban from the site for sexism. The most striking thing to me is that you appear to be clueless that you make these sexist / offensive remarks. Unfortunately you are not alone, there are a number of mainly young men such as yourself who behave the same way. All I can hope is that other members continue to try to explain why/how you are being sexist and that you can learn not to make sweeping, and often negative or insulting, remarks about women. It is better if you realise that you are doing this and to change your behaviour as a result, realising that sweeping generalisations are groundless and insulting. Education is a thousand times better than a big stick.

Tally, are you actually prohibited from banning for blatant sexism, or is it more like you've been instructed to ignore the small stuff? Because if I can get behind the idea of changing the policy if your hands are truly tied when it comes to repeated and unambivalent sexism, what I don't want to see is the extremely broad definition of sexism embraced by modern feminism codified into WP's rules.

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23 May 2014, 5:46 pm

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in a forum for people with a pervasive developmental disorder, that's pretty low.

Giving a truthful answer to someone who is making insinuations about why his post hasn't been responded to?

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23 May 2014, 5:52 pm

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in a forum for people with a pervasive developmental disorder, that's pretty low.

Giving a truthful answer to someone who is making insinuations about why his post hasn't been responded to?

yeah, because "some of us have jobs" doesn't insinuate anything at all in a forum full of people struggling with employment, it's just a truthful observation. :roll:

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23 May 2014, 6:01 pm

TallyMan wrote:

Point taken. Bill seems unable or unwilling to grasp the principle. I'll have a chat with the other mods regarding the logistics of moderating sexism more strongly, if the other mods are in agreement, I'll approach Alex with a view of getting his support for a more aggressive anti-sexism policy.

I believe Bill has mentioned that he has a learning disability elsewhere on the forum, which may be playing a role here. That brings up the question of how we deal with people who may not be able to help rubbing others the wrong way, which is a constant issue throughout the AS community.

That, and most of what I see people complaining about Bill for is not actually sexist, but is instead him relating experiences where people think he's acted poorly. Last I checked, describing yourself as a jerk off the site isn't against any of the rules, and I've personally seen others confess to much worse behavior here, they just didn't do it in front of such a hostile audience. That's not to say Bill doesn't say a lot of sexist things, he clearly does, I'm just pointing out that some of the louder recent complaints against him aren't actually about sexism per se.

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23 May 2014, 6:06 pm

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TallyMan wrote:

I believe Bill has mentioned that he has a learning disability elsewhere on the forum, which may be playing a role here. That brings up the question of how we deal with people who may not be able to help rubbing others the wrong way, which is a constant issue throughout the AS community.

That, and most of what I see people complaining about Bill for is not actually sexist, but is instead him relating experiences where people think he's acted poorly. Last I checked, describing yourself as a jerk off the site isn't against any of the rules, and I've personally seen others confess to much worse behavior here, they just didn't do it in front of such a hostile audience. That's not to say Bill doesn't say a lot of sexist things, he clearly does, I'm just pointing out that some of the louder recent complaints against him aren't actually about sexism per se.

that may be true--however, i'm pretty sure bragging about emotionally abusing your SO (and yes, premeditated and intentional emotional manipulation is abuse) IS against the rules, as it should be. or are we supposed to humour bullies and predators when they brag about their bullying activities/predating?

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23 May 2014, 6:10 pm

starvingartist wrote:

yeah, because "some of us have jobs" doesn't insinuate anything at all in a forum full of people struggling with employment, it's just a truthful observation. :roll:

I can't control how you choose to take things, especially when I'm talking to other posters.

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23 May 2014, 6:17 pm

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starvingartist wrote:

yeah, because "some of us have jobs" doesn't insinuate anything at all in a forum full of people struggling with employment, it's just a truthful observation. :roll:

I can't control how you choose to take things, especially when I'm talking to other posters.

i was simply assuming that there are lots of people here who are likely sensitive about being unemployed/on disability because of all the judgment they get from people, as you should have done before you posted that thoughtless comment.

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23 May 2014, 6:21 pm

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No. MRAs are misogynists. Feminists are not, in general, misandrists.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander; if you don't want people to generalize about feminists, then you don't get to generalize against MRAs, that's how consistency works.

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23 May 2014, 6:21 pm

starvingartist wrote:

actually,If Im correct.The rules doesn't apply to what you
do or say to people off wp. And I told you,she got mad
at me first,that why I acted like jerk towards her.She
came back me.She loves me,I love her,were
doing good now.My other girlfriend,my female
friends,that girl I hit on likes me. Most ladies
don't hate me IRL.Im well respected,and Yes
I do bring up my political views,and they agree with me

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23 May 2014, 6:28 pm

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I shouldn't let on that I'm employed because it might possibly make other people feel bad that they aren't? As opposed to proving that working with AS isn't impossible or even rare?

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23 May 2014, 6:32 pm

There have been times where I didn't bother with this forum for a while and I block people because of it.

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23 May 2014, 6:39 pm

starvingartist wrote:

that may be true--however, i'm pretty sure bragging about emotionally abusing your SO (and yes, premeditated and intentional emotional manipulation is abuse) IS against the rules, as it should be.

The mods thought otherwise. Can you point out this rule in the ToS? I'm fairly familiar with the document, but if you think I've missed something, bring it up.

starvingartist wrote:

or are we supposed to humour bullies and predators when they brag about their bullying activities/predating?

Here's bill's post:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6061171.html#6061171

billiscool wrote:

actual that's How I got my GF(''best lady friend'')back for the
second time.By being a complete douch(jerk)I would just
mock her,and she came back to me.

And she's back with me for the 3rd time.Whenever we ''separate''
I act like ''alpha douche''and whatever reason,she gets
turn on and goes back with me.

That sounds jerkish, even Bill thinks so, but to call it predatory seems hyperbolic, to say the least, and Bill was quickly condemned from all corners for it, I'm not sure what moderator intervention would have accomplished, unless silencing people like Bill is your ultimate goal. There even could have been an interesting discussion around the comment, with people examining the possible reasons that Bill's girlfriend would react positively to that kind of treatment, which would have been a more helpful conversation than "Bill is a horrible person who should be kicked off this site!! !".

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