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27 Dec 2009, 1:38 pm

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There has been a misunderstanding; when I refer to an individual requesting that only women reply to their post, my intent was showing that by and large, the men on WP have been respectful of that request. If there is disruptive posting by males in the Women's Discussion forum, those posts are generally either removed, or at times have been moved as a separate discussion into another subforum.


Then tell us what you would consider disruptive or inappropriate and why men don't have a similar option to have only men respond to their threads if they feel the need for it.... Whether or not there's a rule explicitly forbidding men to respond to certain threads, it still is very sexist. It still offends me that my gender is relevant to whether my response to a thread is accepted or not, whereas this is never the case for women.

Basically, if women have a "women only" option, men should have a "men only" option. Otherwise, it's better to abandon the "women only" option altogether and not to use gender as a criterium anywhere..... Giving women special privileges does not constitute equality but creates rather anti-male sexist sentiment.


Salon, if you choose to be discontent, you will be, It has been explained that there was a Men's Discussion that was dissolved; that this happened before your time, or mine, it not something that is within your control. Men can request that women not respond (examples of this exist in L&D), but again this is not an absolute rule but a request. To suggest that there is an anti-male sexist sentiment on WP, however... is beyond my comprehension, given what I have observed here. Your input is noted. If the environment is too intolerable for you, I can only suggest that you look at alternative forums to participate in, or perhaps creating your own so that it matches your desires.

As for disruptive or inappropriate: read the site's rules. That should give you a starting point for expectations.


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27 Dec 2009, 4:17 pm

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What discussion do you have that you cannot bring up in one of the existing forums? This subject has come up repeatedly, and the answer has remained the same - it was tried, was not considered effective, and was dissolved between three other subforums. I'm male, and I'm not offended by this space for women... and I can't find a reason to be. If men were forbidden to participate, I could see more of an argument, but that is not the case -

mushroom, while I appreciate your concern, this forum has functioned well for quite some time. If you have issues, please contact a moderator. However, it is somewhat disconcerting when a new member starts complaining about something they have not thoroughly tried at this point.


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Yes I am am new poster but that makes my opinion no less valid than that of a vetran or moderator my goal is not to cause "drama" or confrontation I was simply jarred and disappointed by entering a womans forum and finding it dominated by men I have been quite balanced in my posts I am choosing not to be offensive as it is not productive (despite what i desire to say) . While SOME of the male responses to valid concerns women are posting are juvenile and disturbing I am not interested in tattling to moderators as you suggest that is for the poster to do , this is a discussion I will post a response if i desire . makuranososhi I greatly appreciate your relevant commentary and responding to these posters that are in my opinion simply seeking attention and feel that you and a few others bring valid and relevant points to the womens discussion I hope others can follow your example or take this to the mens thread in the adult discussion. I am not going to respond further to this thread just work on helping myself and others in more productive discussions.



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27 Dec 2009, 5:22 pm

mushroom, thank you for responding. I do not question the validity of your opinion, only whether the existing system has been given a fair shake. Please consider that a community is only as strong as the involvement of its members; if you are not willing to speak up when something is amiss, then it hurts everyone. Taking care of something you value isn't tattling, in my opinion - it's being responsible, versus tattling which to me implies an intent to get someone in trouble over anything else. Thank you for your supportive words, and I will continue to try to and be a positive contributor in this sub-forum when I do have something to add to the conversation.


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27 Dec 2009, 6:16 pm

I'm a man and am in no way offended that women want to talk without the interruption of the oppressor. You want to know about real discrimination? talk to a woman about it and you'd be surprised, I know I was.

Way I see it is these nosey aspies can't walk past s**t without taking a sniff, or in other words if they have an opinion even if it's not wanted they still feel the need to express it due to their huge egos which make them think it's relevant. Get over yourself and leave the women to their chatter, you can still read it so what's the problem?



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28 Dec 2009, 8:40 am

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I'm a man and am in no way offended that women want to talk without the interruption of the oppressor. You want to know about real discrimination? talk to a woman about it and you'd be surprised, I know I was.


What a load of feminist hogwash. Men are "the oppressor"? Oh, pleaaaaase ! Most men I know who are in a relationship are totally dominated by their girlfriend, sometimes up to the point I pity them.

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Get over yourself and leave the women to their chatter, you can still read it so what's the problem?


When women start spouting the sexist feminist bullcrap you're spouting here, there's no way I'm gonna accept my gender being offended like that....



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28 Dec 2009, 10:29 am

as a woman, I find this discussion between Salonfilosoof and ZygomaticMajor particularly hilarious. It reminds me of two transvestites squabbling over the mascara.

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28 Dec 2009, 10:33 am

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as a woman, I find this discussion between Salonfilosoof and ZygomaticMajor particularly hilarious. It reminds me of two transvestites squabbling over the mascara.


Oh common, girl. Must you blow my cover, now?! :evil:

No seriously.... In what way does our discussion remotely resemble the scene you describe? I don't see it...



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28 Dec 2009, 11:15 am

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as a woman, I find this discussion between Salonfilosoof and ZygomaticMajor particularly hilarious. It reminds me of two transvestites squabbling over the mascara.


Oh common, girl. Must you blow my cover, now?! :evil:

No seriously.... In what way does our discussion remotely resemble the scene you describe? I don't see it...


anecdotal information such as
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"Most men I know who are in a relationship are totally dominated by their girlfriend, sometimes up to the point I pity them.
does not prove that woman that are not allowed to drive, have to have a clitorectomy and sewn up to be marriageable or married off when 12 or 13 to men old enough to be their grandfathers happens in the world. To state that the term 'oppressors' is frivolous just pains me.

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28 Dec 2009, 11:33 am

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does not prove that woman that are not allowed to drive, have to have a clitorectomy and sewn up to be marriageable or married off when 12 or 13 to men old enough to be their grandfathers happens in the world. To state that the term 'oppressors' is frivolous just pains me.


A situation in a backwards country run by people with a different ethnic background and only a very primitive socio-cultural background is hardly comparable with the situation in Western Europe. You're comparing apples with oranges.

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BS. Different societies are run by different people following different principles. Just because women are oppressed by men in some parts of the world, one cannot generalise man as "the oppressor". In fact, when I look at many Western households today I would rather quality Western woman as the oppressor of Western man.



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28 Dec 2009, 10:00 pm

Salonfilosoof wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
does not prove that woman that are not allowed to drive, have to have a clitorectomy and sewn up to be marriageable or married off when 12 or 13 to men old enough to be their grandfathers happens in the world. To state that the term 'oppressors' is frivolous just pains me.


A situation in a backwards country run by people with a different ethnic background and only a very primitive socio-cultural background is hardly comparable with the situation in Western Europe. You're comparing apples with oranges.

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If one is not free, then none of us are free.


BS. Different societies are run by different people following different principles. Just because women are oppressed by men in some parts of the world, one cannot generalise man as "the oppressor". In fact, when I look at many Western households today I would rather quality Western woman as the oppressor of Western man.


Well, I didn't call any man 'the oppressor'. ZygomaticMajor did.


Did you read the rules? I didn't think so, yet, you must read the rules to have a membership on this site. In those rules you haven't read you would come across such instructions as :

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This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

3.Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet : anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.



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29 Dec 2009, 8:09 am

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BS. Different societies are run by different people following different principles. Just because women are oppressed by men in some parts of the world, one cannot generalise man as "the oppressor". In fact, when I look at many Western households today I would rather quality Western woman as the oppressor of Western man.


Well, I didn't call any man 'the oppressor'. ZygomaticMajor did.


Then what was your point? Please enlighten us ignorant men :wink:

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Did you read the rules? I didn't think so, yet, you must read the rules to have a membership on this site. In those rules you haven't read you would come across such instructions as :

[...]

3.Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet : anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.


Please explain how this is relevant to anything that's been said by anyone in this thread, because your point is yet again unclear to me.



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29 Dec 2009, 10:15 am

Salonfilosoof wrote:
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If one is not free, then none of us are free.


BS. Different societies are run by different people following different principles. Just because women are oppressed by men in some parts of the world, one cannot generalise man as "the oppressor". In fact, when I look at many Western households today I would rather quality Western woman as the oppressor of Western man.


Well, I didn't call any man 'the oppressor'. ZygomaticMajor did.


Then what was your point? Please enlighten us ignorant men :wink:

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Did you read the rules? I didn't think so, yet, you must read the rules to have a membership on this site. In those rules you haven't read you would come across such instructions as :

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3.Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet : anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.


Please explain how this is relevant to anything that's been said by anyone in this thread, because your point is yet again unclear to me.


Andere ongepaste inhoud en gedrag verboden op Wrong Planet:gedrag bedoeld om te provoceren of andere leden kleineren.



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29 Dec 2009, 10:41 am

In summary. This forum is as it is. It is expected to be of interest primarily to women. There is nothing sexist involved. No posts will be removed, other than in accordance with the rules of WP. If one cannot abide by the WrongPlanet Rules, then one should seek out some other site.


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