Plus size question.

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Skinny =/= in shape. Nor does fat = in poor shape.

That's exactly my point. You just said it a lot clearer. Thank you!

Ok so who do you all think is more attractive out of these women?

Nigella Lawson


Queen Latifah

I don't think that picture does Queen Latifah justice. She looks all serious and cold in it when she looks a hell of a lot better when she has a warm smile on her face. That being said, Queen Latifah is gorgeous. The other chick barely looks overweight at all so I don't know if there's really a point to comparing them. She's still pretty, though. >.<

I couldn't think of any other plus size white celebrities

The only one that comes to mind is Rosie O'Donnell and she's not pretty at all but maybe that's just her loudmouth personality resonating with me. XD

Well, there's Nikki Blonsky from Hairspray. She's not a super-celebrity or anything but she's cute.

That's it I think. Maybe white celebrity women aren't allowed to be fat unless a role calls for it? :/

Melissa mccarthy I loved her performances as sookie on Gilmore Girls and dena on Samantha who.

Highly doubt a difference in opinion is why that poster was considered a troll. Trolls are after emotional reactions, which is precisely the response you'd expect to get when someone posts about being plus-sized only to be met with a response that refers to them as "gross".




Maybe you move in ignorant social circles, but most people I know are well-aware of the fact that, aesthetics aside, people without fat DIE. Was that hypoerbole on your part? That's apart from those who seem to make up the vast majority who do like fat very much in certain places on the body, and still others who are attracted to it altogether.



Great job. You parroted the OP's original observation back to her without bothering to answer her question about why.

I don't think buryuntime was trying to get a emotional reaction. Some aspies just don't think that way when they say what is on their mind. They think of the words, not how people will react to it and feel.

That's a bit of a misinterpretation; I was speaking of excessive fat. Would most people really prefer their spouse or someone they love to be overweight or obese? Health reasons aside, it is generally not appealing.

Ah, hence my confusion. I can't answer whether most people prefer people who are overweight are obese, because those terms refer directly to simple height-weight ratios, while human attraction is far far more complex.

Extremes aside, health has very little to do with how much space one doesn't take up, and our health would be better-served if we stopped pretending it does.

You still didn't answer the OP's original question, which was about her perception of fat as societally more acceptable for black women than white.

You can't beat perfection so I'd have to mark them even.

Queen Latifah claims to be 5'10" and under 200 pounds. That doesn't seem all that plus size in my opinion. Both women are lovely. It really is all about one's attitude and how one carries oneself. If you don't believe in you, no one else will.

I know that people will see my photo and figure what do I know about it but I am 5'10.5 and my weight ranges from 165 to about 250 depending on how overly stimulating I let my life get and therefore how much I feel the need to comfort myself with food. In a way, it's ironic because the more I stay away from people the more I tend to fit the stereotypical picture of attractiveness but the more I force myself out into the world, which increases my discomfort, the less I end up appearing as such.

For me it seems that really it is more difficult for a woman with ASD because of the comfort issues. No one looks as attractive dressed frumpily. So it becomes a question of how much do I really care about what someone else thinks of my appearance vs. my level of comfort. At this point in my life I am all "give me comfy old jeans and a t-shirt or a velvet track suit and anyone who doesn't like it can simply lump it."

Serena

The problem with obesity topic

When a woman's waist size is more than 35 inches, or 89 cm, this is a red flag that could lead to heart disease/diabetes.

It has nothing to do with appearance, but when I see some plus sized people, i wonder about what they eat that makes them store abdominal fat.

But that doesn't apply when you're pregnant

To you. Not appealing to you. That's fine; we all have our preferences. I, OTOH, like big men. I find skinny/thin men unattractive. My husband is overweight, and as long as he is not in the weight category that puts him in danger of diabetes, heart disease, and so on (he's not) I'd prefer he keep a little extra on his frame. It's much nicer to cuddle someone who is soft than someone who is bony! I'm average to thin myself, but I have padding in the places most women do, and I know he likes cuddling me!

As for a bigger shape being more appealing in African-American culture, I think that has something to do with men. Men, in general, prefer a heavier, curvier shape than women believe they do. Most men identify a "curvy" figure as the most attractive (over super-skinny and buff, both). I once read an article about why African American men like big butts -- the author was an African American male, who freely admitted to liking a big butt on a girl and rated several celebrities on a ratio of "spread" and "overhang." He also taked about cultural norms and the possiblity that there is a genetic component to admiring this shape. I don't know that I buy the genetic thing, but in the end, his conclusions were twofold. Big K expressed on perfectly -- a skinny girl is less likely to survive in a severe drought or famine. These aren't new problems in parts of Africa -- made worse by our flagrant disregard of conservation of the planet, but historically there have been droughts and famines, and a big woman is more likely to survive. The drought/famine problem also leads to a human-wide cultural norm: that what is rare is valuable. When most people you know are thin from hard work and little food, a fat person is a rarity. Thus, a heavyset woman is a rarity. She is treasured, and beautiful. (It's like with gemstones: they cost more because they are rare -- although some, like diamonds, are artificially rare.)

In fact, being thin hasn't always been prized in European cultures. Check out the thighs on Greek statues -- they had thin waists, but beautifully full thighs. Dutch paintings of city Burgher's wives show some seriously heavy women -- we're talking double chins and guts! Since most of the peasantry back when these paintings were commissioned were thin due to overwork and starvation, it was a source of pride for the Burghers of a city to have an overweight wife. It proved he could feed her and that she did no hard work. Again, heavier women weren't common, so a "big is beautiful" culture developed!

These days, in the US, food is plentiful and few of us spend our days doing hard manual labor. We eat burgers or pizza in front of the TV. Even many people who eat stricly healthy food eat enormous portions compared to the rest of the world -- my friends from other countries are overwhelmed at the portions in restaurants here! It's quite common to be heavier, so a heavy frame is not seen as beautiful, but as commonplace, boring, normal. The ultra-skinny is what's rare, so society tells is this is what is treasured and beautiful. When I pause to think with my rational brain, I simply don't find most models beautiful at all (too skinny, I din't like seeing bones stick out). I do think Queen Latifah is absolutely stunning, though!