Is not wearing make-up such a big deal?
Yup, some girls just like changing who they are because it they think it makes them look better. I seriously cannot stand the stuff, too much for my senses. I only wear it for on stage stuff and chap-stick for if it's cold outside.
While I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to make yourself more attractive to men or whoever, I also think that in the long run we are the only ones we have to please, and it's the woman in the mirror who has to find us appealing, not some man.
Personally, there are plenty of times when I quite enjoy male attention and other times when I could care less, but either way, it's not something I obsess over anymore. Hopefully, I've grown beyond that in my 46 years.
And regarding other women who are critical because of how we choose to present ourselves, they need to grow up and learn to accept people for their core and not based on something as trivial as how much makeup we wear, for chrissake.
I wear some makeup when I feel like it, but only for fun. I've gone through times where I felt like I had to wear makeup (last two years of high school come to mind) and that wasn't fun. If I start feeling insecure about going somewhere because I'm feeling frumpy without makeup, I say "screw it" and go barefaced anyway. Or I curl my eyelashes and put clear gel on them and my brows and call it good.
I can't stand anything on my lips except clear balm. I do like the pretty colors of mineral eyeshadow, but I only buy samples because they last me forever. I have an ongoing struggle with mascara and eyeliner because I have to have natural products so they don't irritate my eyes, but I need products that stay because I forget and rub my eyes
And that's why I wear makeup maybe once a month.
I don't see the point in dolling yourself up with makeup, to be honest. At the end of the day, when the eyeshadow, lipstick, blush, etc, comes off, you're left with yourself as you are, not how the makeup makes you appear, which no matter how beautiful it may seem, is not really you. I'd rather appreciate the physical beauty of a woman I date in it's purest and most unfettered form and in turn, a woman who's attitude is that they can look beautiful without any sort of artificial enhancements, in spite of whatever flaws they may or may not have. Of course, I'm not going to mind too much if a woman wants to apply the occasional bit of makeup, even if I don't understand why (There's a lot of stuff I don't "Get"), but I'm not going to pretend that I don't prefer the "au naturale" approach far more.
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I actually do wear make up and I quite like it. Sometimes it helps me to deal with the world a bit better. I don't wear much though. I don't like the look and feel of heavy make up so now eyeshadow and mascara for me. I like to wear feminine clothes but skirts, dresses and high heels are definitely not for me. If I wear anything like that I feel really uncomfortable, like I am dressed up for carnival or something.
However....when you don't like to wear make up I don't see any reason whatsoever to wear it. Besides, it saves you a lot of time and effort in the morning when you don't.
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First off, why in the world would you want to look closer to death? Wait a few years and you will be getting continually praised for looking young. Don't let it bother you! You are very attractive and makeup does not add to your persona, it detracts.
The "need" for makeup is purely the corporate "need" for profits.
The multi-billion dollar so-called "beauty" industry does this by ceaseless, expensive, researched propaganda. This includes obvious stuff like all the advertisements, but also all the rest of the mass media, e.g. you will never see a magazine photo that isn't digitally retouched, you will never see an actress or actor or news anchor not slathered in thick makeup. Another example is on TV shows you will often see characters discussing how they "must wear makeup", any character that doesn't wear makeup is there to be ridiculed or laughed at. It is pretty nasty and manipulative brainwashing, what goes on, and it starts early -- they even have makeup sets designed just for little girls.
All of this convinces people that they are somehow "improperly built" and "inadequate" if they do not wear the corporate products on their face. This is blatantly untrue.
I personally find the monetary system repulsive, and so to all the branding that it uses, including makeup. Women look way more attractive naturally, free of the shackles of makeup. I am certainly not the only person who believes this, the majority of men on Earth prefer natural women, but the way the media works, they only show social situations that support the use of makeup.
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As an aside, I made a rule up when I was an early teenager that I would never kiss anyone wearing lipstick, I find it toxic and disgusting. I have stuck to this until today, with one exception -- I kissed my ex-wife during our wedding ceremony, when she did wear makeup.
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Yes, I've always thought it must be disgusting for a woman's partner, getting lipstick and foundation and all that other gunk on himself (or herself) when kissing her, or stroking her face. Yuck.
And all that contorting to put on or take off clothes without smearing makeup all over them.
And all the work to put it on, then take it off at night...and to avoid crying, or rain, or anything that might make it run.
As you can see, I don't grok the appeal of makeup at all.
(Aside from a young-teen let-me-try-it-too phase, I've never worn makeup, except for a few occasions where I regrettably allowed someone else--my mother, a girlfriend--to slather me with it because "you really, really must" wear makeup to a wedding, or whatever.)
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I rarely wear make up... I tried to the other day to see if it made me look more 'grown up' (I look about 12) but it just made me look like one of those little kids who wear too much make up. Then I had an allergic reaction to the eye shadow and ended up looking more like a blowfish! I think I look okay without make up so I am not too bothered but it would be nice to be able to wear some once in a while!
I have dyspraxia too so that makes applying the make up near impossible. I often end up looking crazy or like I have been crying because I put too much on or my hand tremors and makes it go all over my face!
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I think that you guys (or girls) are just as narrow minded about wearing make up as other woman and girls are about not wearing make up. Sorry, but I don't like narrow mindedness in any shape or form.
It all depends on how you apply make up and the kind of make up that you are using. There is a lot of natural make up available that isn't bad for the skin, doesn't contain chemicals and is not tested on animals. I actually think that a lot of woman can enhance their appearance by applying a little make up, as long as it isn't too much. And besides, I really don't care what guys or anyone else thinks of me when I'm wearing make up. I happen to like a little make up and I don't see what's wrong with that.
I have never come across an unwritten rule that woman with aspergers and other forms of autism should not wear make up. My identity is not defined by the fact that I happen to have an autistic spectrum disorder and neither is my appearance. I'm fed up with feeling depressed, miserable and the odd one out. I'm determined to improve myself in any possible way and if I can improve my appearance a bit I will definitely do that.
Live and let live, that's my motto in life.
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Pokerface, absolutely. If you enjoy makeup, by all means, use it! I don't think any of us were trying to say "Thou Shalt Not"--we were just describing our relationship to makeup.
I agree that makeup done well can turn a pretty person, or even a plain one, into a gorgeous one. I just don't myself like wearing it.
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Virtually all makeup out there in common use by people is toxic for the body, while supporting consumerism, corporatist brainwashing to degrade females into thinking they are incomplete, worthless and even shameful to not wear it. Endless millions of dollars are spent every year on this propaganda, it is totally pervasive in every facet of society.
If you think otherwise, you are deluding yourself.
The toxicity of modern makeup can *not* be understated.
There is toxic wastes put into makeups that not only are aging and killing their users, but are also destroying the world's oceans and wildlife after they are disposed of via the garbage, toilet, baths and sinks.
Take this for instance if you want to understand just how despicable the makeup industry is:
Lead in lipstick? Turns out, the urban legend is true. In October 2007, the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics tested 33 popular brands of lipsticks at an independent lab for lead content.
The results: 61 percent of lipsticks contained lead, with levels ranging up to 0.65 parts per million. Lead-contaminated brands included L'Oreal, Cover Girl and even a $24 tube of Dior Addict. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration promised it would conduct an investigation, but dragged its feet in doing so.
It took nearly two years, pressure from consumers and a letter from three U.S. Senators, but in 2009 the FDA released a follow-up study that found lead in all samples of lipstick it tested, at levels ranging from 0.09 to 3.06 ppm – levels four times higher than the levels found in the Campaign study. FDA found the highest lead levels in lipsticks made by three manufacturers: Procter & Gamble (Cover Girl brand), L'Oreal (L'Oreal, Body Shop and Maybelline brands) and Revlon. Yet FDA has thus far failed to take action to protect consumers.
The recent science indicates there is no safe level of lead exposure.
“Lead builds up in the body over time and lead-containing lipstick applied several times a day, every day, can add up to significant exposure levels. The latest studies show there is no safe level of lead exposure,” according to Mark Mitchell, M.D., MPH, president of the Connecticut Coalition for Environmental Justice.
“Lead is a proven neurotoxin that can cause learning, language and behavioral problems such as lowered IQ, reduced school performance and increased aggression. Pregnant women and young children are particularly vulnerable to lead exposure, because lead easily crosses the placenta and enters the fetal brain where it can interfere with normal development,” according to Dr. Sean Palfrey, a professor of pediatrics and public health at Boston University and the medical director of Boston's Lead Poisoning Prevention Program. “Since recent science suggests that there is truly no safe lead exposure for children and pregnant women, it is disturbing that manufacturers are allowed to continue to sell lead-containing lipsticks."
Sources:
http://www.safecosmetics.org/article.php?id=223
http://www.fda.gov/Cosmetics/ProductandIngredientSafety/ProductInformation/ucm137224.htm#analyses
The US FDA has long been a puppet to the corporations, this is just one of literally hundreds of similar examples. Rather than protecting the interests of the public, as is their mandate, they serve the needs of corporations.
You call those who don't like what makeup represents "narrow minded", but I don't think so. My mind is wide open to what is really going on in the world. If you understood even a portion of what the makeup industry represents, if you have ever actually studied it like I have, you would not be thinking the same way, could not be thinking the same way. Makeup is a corporatist plague, with no practical benefits and thousands of downsides.
But feel free to post all the brand and product names of makeup that you use, and we can see how non-toxic they actually are. Most likely you are putting all varieties of industrial chemicals on your face -- and it's not just lead in there, there are countless other harsh chemicals, many of which are not reported on in the ingredients!
This is a useful site for finding out about the ingredients of your makeup and other products:
http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/
However, this does not help when there are things being illegally put into the makeup, which *is* unfortunately the status quo in the modern makeup industry.
Here are a few more examples of what makeup represents, from that same site:
The news has focused mostly around one brand, Brazilian Blowout, but many brands of Brazilian keratin smoothing treatments contain high levels of formaldehyde.
Pink-Ribbon Cosmetics:
Pinkwashing: A term used to describe companies that position themselves as leaders in the fight against breast cancer while engaging in practices that may be contributing to rising rates of the disease.
Fragrance:
Fragrance is considered a trade secret, so companies don't have to list the often dozens or even hundreds of synthetic chemical compounds it contains.
Contaminants in Bath Products:
Does baby shampoo need to contain cancer-causing chemicals? No – but it often does.
Nail Products and Salons:
Nail polish, polish removers and artificial nail products contain a host of toxic chemicals.
Natural and Organic Products:
Think "pure, natural and organic" really means pure, natural and organic? Surprise!
Men's Products:
Think men don't use cosmetics? Think again.
Nanotechnology:
This emerging technology is almost entirely untested for its health effects, and no requirements exist for either testing or labeling these products.
Raining Pink Ribbons:
The pink ribbon was originally neither pink nor was it intended to be used as a marketing tool.
Read more:
http://www.safecosmetics.org/article.php?list=type&type=33
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