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26 Nov 2017, 7:32 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Truly, I don't believe autism implies an "incapability" all the time. Just like people with Asperger's are not necessarily "incapable" of reading social cues.

Rather, a person with Asperger's could either exhibit a "difference" in reading cues, or perhaps an impaired ability--but an ability, nevertheless. Same with empathy. I doubt it that most autistic people lack empathy; rather, there is a difference in how they convey it.

I believe you are a capable person who might have some "differences" which make others who don't have the requisite knowledge think you're "incapable."

I believe there are many times when one should look at the work produced, rather than the "social abilities" of the person doing the work. I have seen people with considerable "social ability" produce shoddy work. They are not let go from their jobs because of their social connections, rather than their ability in the job.

This even applies to sales work. I believe one could be autistic and still ring up sales, because the autistic person knows about the product, and can convey to the client an honest impression of the product--especially if the product is actually good. There are many people, truly, who dislike a "sales pitch," and really like it when a product is honestly portrayed by the salesperson.


Well, I wasn't really talking about social cues in this context. Rather about the uneven skill set. I've spent so much of my life trying to learn things I'm not really interested in. I'm less and less able to push myself. I'm zoning in on special interests and not managing to go broad. If I could go broad, there could be a good job in it for me, but I'm not able to do it. I hate my own inability to remember things that don't interest me.


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10 Dec 2017, 7:52 am

It's not worth masking it. I felt like crap an tried masking it a little bit, for only about 6 months of my almost 20 years of existence.

Being yourself is a lot less stressful but, sure as heck still is.



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15 Dec 2017, 8:20 pm

I don´t relate so much with the girl in the video. The truth is that masking didn´t come naturally to me. As a child, my symptoms were pretty obvious, even though I had no speech delay and did not seem to meet full criteria for autism (I was diagnosed with PDD NOS when I was still in preschool). My parents and my teachers taught me some basic social skills and I acquired them slowly, but everything had to be explicit. I did not bother with masking or fitting in until I became a pre-teen and was suddenly aware of the fact that everyone had friends except myself. I tried masking when I was 12, imitating my classmates and socializing with them, but I sucked at that. I had not been told of my diagnosis (my parents kept that from me until I turned 21) yet I was aware of the fact that I was different from everybody else. Every time I interacted with another person of my age I told my self "Don´t let anyone notice how weird/crazy/stupid you are". But I didn´t know how to hide it. I knew I was doing something wrong, but I didn´t know what, or how to correct it. The consequences were bullying and exclusion.

As a teen I became withdrawn, again fitting what is considered the "male" version of autism. I did not care about making friends, for I assumed my previous failures meant I was not born to have friends or any relationship with non-family members. However, now I was older and a bit smarter socially, so I could learn some rules of social interaction by watching my mother and my sister talk with their friends. Besides, I still had some tutoring done by my mother, who criticized and mocked me when I stimmed or sat with an awkward posture. By the time I was 18 I was proficient in making casual small talk with acquaintances, as long as I could talk about something I liked, but I had lost all my motivation to have closer relationships. Now I´m 22. I´m about to finish college and having my first work experience. The few times I chose to tell someone about my diagnosis they believed me, but one of them (a teacher) confessed that she had never thought there was something "wrong" about me, aside from having an unusual personality. I think most people know that I´m different, but they don´t associate me with their idea of autism, which is usually made up from very exaggerated movies.

As for the special interests part, I think the woman in the video didn´t mean that we don´t have them: she was trying to say that even though we do have them, they are often more common and typical of our gender and age. However, my special interests were always unisex (Harry Potter, the history of the Holocaust, Game of Thrones, personality types, ASD). They aren´t so unusual, though.

I think it´s true that many women learn how to mask their symptoms by imitation and that they often miss diagnosis as a result, but that doesn´t happen to all of us. For me, "masking" was something I had to be explicitly taught as a child, and even now I don´t always do it. If I can pass for normal now, it´s mostly because of the advice, tutoring, criticism and bullying that have influenced my behavior.


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16 Dec 2017, 2:35 am

I didn't mask, and didn't ever care about peer pressure, always thought I'd rather be myself and like myself, than pretend and not be happy. People either thought I was stuck up, or if they got to know me, they realised I was nice and just quieter than others. I've become more aware that I come across as disapproving or grumpy to people. I don't like being fake and do find it hard to mask my dislike for certain people, if I don't like æ person I find it near impossible to look at them or talk to them.



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28 Dec 2017, 1:58 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
To be quite honest, I feel better about myself that I can relate to people better than previously. I also believe I can use the skills I have gained to assist other people in relating to other people (without sacrificing their uniqueness, ideally).

It really took quite a long time--but I've gotten to the point where I believe most people believe I'm a viable person. This wasn't the case previously. Previously, either felt scorn for me, or felt like they had to "help" me. Both situations were a thorn in my side.

I don't believe "normal people" actively dislike autistic people---they just don't know too much about them. There is the tendency to believe that the social struggles of "high-functioning" autistic people are the product of these people "not trying hard enough." Or else they are excluded because they are not "useful" in some way--they don't satisfy the "social instincts" of the "normal people."

"Autism" doesn't enter into the minds of these "normal" people; to them, an autistic person is the old-fashioned notion of them as being nonverbal and in their "own little world." They can't see them being amongst their job milieu. They are seen as people who are "disabled," and who live in group homes and sometimes have "sheltered" employment.



I am finding your words to be true the more I look at my life experiences and the reactionsI garnered from what were clearly aspie traits that I really could not help. They see a different way of thinking as a failure.


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