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Are you comfortable with Transgender Women in Womens Spaces?
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07 Aug 2008, 7:39 am

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However, in either case of AIS, gynecomastia is atypical because the estrogen levels do not naturally reach a pubertal level (usually estrogen supplement is required.) In full or partial AIS, the person will be infertile as a female and will not have a period. In partial AIS it is conceivable to be fertile as a male.


In someone's autobiography (I can't remember where I read it now), he (a person with partial-AIS) mentioned being given testosterone by a misguided doctor. The result was breast growth, because his body converted it into estrogen. Er, that is, everybody's body makes some estrogen out of testosterone, but since his cells didn't 'recognize' the testosterone very much, there was little opposition to the effects of the estrogen. Anyway, FWIW...

As long as I'm pretending to be a doctor on the internet... the scar sounds like it might've been a repair for "hypospadias," possibly... (? not like I have any medical degrees or anything)


Thats very possible actually, so a doctor giving an AIS patient testosterone could cause gynecomastia. Another possible explanation for your ex.

I still suspect 5-ARD because unlike AIS, he wouldn't have begun growing male secondary sex charachteristics at puberty, hence inspiring the sudden shift in gender.

Hypospadias falls into the ambiguous genitalia category, for those who didn't go look it up, it's where the urethra terminates on the underside of the penis instead of the tip.



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08 Aug 2008, 1:25 pm

hello

omg i have just been asking in my blog if any other "females" feel that they are in the wrong body, i feel as though i am male but because i have an almost female body i have to say i am female but i do not feel this fits me at all, in general i feel more male, physically i have many male characteristics, i have to shave my face everyday, i have a high testosterone level , at the moment i am waiting to see another psychiatrist who is then going to send me to another "specialist" but no one seems to be able to tell me what is actually occurring with me, i have been reading your posts and just wanted to say that for some time i have been feeling something was not right with me, when i was young i had operations on my throat and spent weeks in hospital for a supposed apendectomy, after which i eventually started having periods although very irregularly, other people having their apendix out went within one week i just could not get out of hospital, as a child i was always ill with something , constantly at the doctors, but never actually feeling ill just being told i was, before her death i asked my mother what she meant when she told people she had three children one of each but she would not say, nobody will talk to me and nobody will let me read my medical history so that i can find out if i am just being paranoid, but at least now at the age of 33 i have decided that for whatever reason i want to become as masculine as possble without the bottom surgery, so at least i know who i am now, now i just have to convince the next pdoc lol



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08 Aug 2008, 7:08 pm

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omg i have just been asking in my blog if any other "females" feel that they are in the wrong body, i feel as though i am male but because i have an almost female body i have to say i am female but i do not feel this fits me at all, in general i feel more male, physically i have many male characteristics, i have to shave my face everyday, i have a high testosterone level , at the moment i am waiting to see another psychiatrist who is then going to send me to another "specialist" but no one seems to be able to tell me what is actually occurring with me, i have been reading your posts and just wanted to say that for some time i have been feeling something was not right with me, when i was young i had operations on my throat and spent weeks in hospital for a supposed apendectomy, after which i eventually started having periods although very irregularly, other people having their apendix out went within one week i just could not get out of hospital, as a child i was always ill with something , constantly at the doctors, but never actually feeling ill just being told i was, before her death i asked my mother what she meant when she told people she had three children one of each but she would not say, nobody will talk to me and nobody will let me read my medical history so that i can find out if i am just being paranoid, but at least now at the age of 33 i have decided that for whatever reason i want to become as masculine as possble without the bottom surgery, so at least i know who i am now, now i just have to convince the next pdoc lol


Well, it could be PCOS (Polycystic ovary syndrome) which causes excess testosterone in females....

or it could be AIS, or 5-ARD, where you have XY genes, but look female externally.

Or it could simply be elevated T levels.


I don't have numbers to back my claim, but alot of AS women identify as transmale, definately a higher percentage then the NT community,



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10 Aug 2008, 4:46 pm

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...nobody will let me read my medical history so that i can find out if i am just being paranoid...


You have a right to see your own medical history. If your doctors won't give it to you, sue (at least if it's important to you to see it).



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10 Aug 2008, 7:27 pm

Also, pituitary problems can cause elevated testosterone without actually having cysts in your ovaries. You ovulate, your ovaries look ok in a scan, but without medication, the testosterone is really high. It is relatively rare but also a possibility. I have it, doctors just usually call it "multiglandular syndrome".



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13 Aug 2008, 5:01 pm

I have posted elsewhere here before. I am a transwoman, and I consider myself to be far more like a woman than a man. I do not like being forced to dress as a man. I already have an unofficial diagnosis of Aspergers, but my wife wants me to see a true specialist. I am hesitant, because I have heard that specialists often do not like a transsexually-oriented diagnosis.
Am I really more like a woman than a man? That depends on which women we are talking about. I am certainly not like a prissy housewife, though I now function as a housewife, since my wife became disabled. I am actually more like the theoretical physicist, Lisa Randall. To my knowledge, no one has analyzed Lisa's gender or implied that she is not female.
I view myself as a budding transwoman philosopher. I was not always this way, since this has been a feature of my life for less than four years. Women philosophers are rare, but they should not be. Just name some: well, Marjorie Suchocki , Deena Lin, and Trisha Famisaran.
As soon as I realized I was AS, I changed my focus from GLBT activism to analytical philosophy. Philosophy has taken a backstage to psychology in our culture, but only philosophy can allow us to be our own prophets and explore our places in reality.



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08 Sep 2008, 11:01 pm

I'm not a transwoman but I just wanted to think outloud here if you all don't mind! I'm new to AS issues and discussions about the whole Male Brain theory and also don't know much about transgendered issues either.

But i'm wondering if the fact that there seem to be several transwomen (that is men who identify as woman right?) here contradicts the "Male brain" idea surrounding AS.

Let me know if i'm WAY off, as i said, i don't know a lot about either issue, but it was just a thought out loud. I personally have PCOS and have high testosterone which made me think initially the male brain idea might hold water but i'm not sure.



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09 Sep 2008, 12:31 am

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I'm not a transwoman but I just wanted to think outloud here if you all don't mind! I'm new to AS issues and discussions about the whole Male Brain theory and also don't know much about transgendered issues either.

But i'm wondering if the fact that there seem to be several transwomen (that is men who identify as woman right?) here contradicts the "Male brain" idea surrounding AS.

Let me know if i'm WAY off, as i said, i don't know a lot about either issue, but it was just a thought out loud. I personally have PCOS and have high testosterone which made me think initially the male brain idea might hold water but i'm not sure.


Ya know, I've had the same doubts.

I sometimes wonder if the pressure of being forced to conform to a social and sexual role that was foreign to my nature didn't cause me to have AS like symptoms without truly being AS.

I am self-diagnosed after all.

But, even though MtF's are vastly outnumbered by FtM's in the aspie community, we do exist. I'm not a complete anomaly. This leads me to believe that there are two separate variables at play. Because I obviously exist, and I'm fairly confident that I have a mild case of AS, but that I generally relate to and socialize better with women, that I am stereotypically non-competitive (which I realize will drive some of the ladies on this forum nuts that I even mention this stereotype.... but it applies to me.... I don't compete.) I also need to be the submissive/receptive partner in any relationship. I can theoretically function as a top, but it doesn't do anything for me.

There's no definitive answer on what causes GID or on what causes AS. We don't know if one or both have a genetic predisposition, we don't know if some abnormality in gestation causes either (although it's the commonly held theory that both have a developmental environmental element in utero.)

It's entirely possible that the gender portion of the brain is hardwired on day 33 and whatever environmental variable that makes one susceptible to AS happens on day 35, so that they're completely unrelated.

If the male brain theory were 100% true, then every AS genetic female would identify as male. So obviously it's possible to be AS and still identify as female.

Also, AS people tend to be more introverted and often introspective, and don't heed societal norms unless they make logical sense. So, I suspect Aspies are more likely to actually admit to and express crossgender feelings when they exist. I think NT's are more likely to bury them and never let them see the light of day.



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09 Sep 2008, 4:15 pm

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Well, it could be PCOS (Polycystic ovary syndrome) which causes excess testosterone in females....


That's not necessarily a true statement. I have polycystic ovarian syndrome and was diagnosed because I had zero testosterone. Both of my sisters were diagnosed because they had too much testosterone

As the doctor told me, it really doesn't matter why I'm not producing testosterone, because regardless of the why the solution is the same - birth control pills.


I identify as being a male. My sisters are both female and enjoy doing the girly stuff that makes me cringe to even consider doin


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09 Sep 2008, 4:42 pm

Hi. I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to the difference between "transgender" and "transsexual". I'm working on a translation. Is one about how you identify (dress, act, feel...) and the other is surgery or hormone treatment? One is general and the other particular?



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09 Sep 2008, 6:45 pm

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Hi. I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to the difference between "transgender" and "transsexual". I'm working on a translation. Is one about how you identify (dress, act, feel...) and the other is surgery or hormone treatment? One is general and the other particular?


in general transexual has a negative connotion and implies the image of a an guy pretending to be a girl but everyone can tell he's a guy. That's probably more because of the negativity associated with the term though.

Transexual is more appropriate to use on someone who is actually going about the surgery. Where transgendered people are sometimes the wrong gender but don't desire to go through surgery.

However while discussing this with a friend of mine, we discovered that the official definitions for each term are the same.

I prefer transgendered. Also androgyny is typically not included under the transexual umbrella but it is included under the transgendered one

The wikipedia article on transexuality would be a good read for you


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09 Sep 2008, 7:30 pm

That's kind of what I imagined when I saw the term "transgender" being used. I was going to write "transsexual". I usually head straight for Wikipedia, but you can never tell how trustworthy the info there is, so real people and their preferences seemed a better source. I'll be sure to check it out, though. Thanks.



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09 Sep 2008, 7:49 pm

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That's kind of what I imagined when I saw the term "transgender" being used. I was going to write "transsexual". I usually head straight for Wikipedia, but you can never tell how trustworthy the info there is, so real people and their preferences seemed a better source. I'll be sure to check it out, though. Thanks.


I looked over it before recommending it - it made more sense to direct you to the discussion about the terminology on there to re-summarize it all over here.


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10 Sep 2008, 12:18 am

I'm gonna agree with Trees. - Wikipedia does a decent job explaining the differences in terminology.

If you want to delve further, an early chapter in "My Husband Betty" goes into definitions as well.

Transsexual has a negative connotation because the inclusion of the word sex implies that there is a sexual nature to the transition.

It is the correct term however for someone actively seeking SRS (Sexual Reassignment Surgery).

Transgender is an umbrella term that includes androgynes, genderqueers, drag queens and kings, transsexuals, transvestites and pretty much anyone who doesn't fit the binary.

I personally refer to myself as Transgender, even though I am seeking surgery, because I not only prefer to be inclusive, but I also don't like the implication that my transition is just about sex.

As far as PCOS, I blame wikipedia and webmd for my misinformation, but is it possible you have a second condition on top of the PCOS blocking the testosterone production? The intent of that post was to provide one example of a medical reason a woman would have elevated testosterone levels. And I don't think PCOS can cause transsexualism, because I believe gender identity is hard wired before your born. Putting more testosterone into a cis-gendered woman will just make her hairy, horny and *might* make her clit get a little bit bigger.


I should hit post because it's late and I'm not exactly sure I'm making sense.



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10 Sep 2008, 3:26 am

Transgender Women are women too, so I really don't see what the problem is. The only thing I don't like coming in here are men who make sexual or derogatory comments. It pisses me off. Otherwise, i'm cool.



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10 Sep 2008, 2:51 pm

They said it was pcos - overall it was 3 different doctors because I went to the uni health center being as it was free.

It was interesting how they stopped thinking I'd be relieved that I wasn't pregnant once they saw my hormone levels - guess it took 0 testosterone to convince them that I was in fact asexual


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