Misogynists

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Nope, I never said you all do. Just some of ya. :p

Not you.

Good.

Mr Mark you need to stay out of the woman's forum. Your presence is making some of the woman uncomfortable posting here and even driving them away!
You don't want woman posting in the men's forum but you feel free to butt in here any time your feel like it.

Is anyone else uncomfortable posting here? If a gentleman invites you to comment on his thread, please feel free to do so.

Well gee thanks, i feel so much better now that i have your permission.

One thing I've never understood is why women want to be so secretive about things. What's the big deal? You're absolutely right, I don't menstruate, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in knowing what it's like. And why shouldn't I be able to find out? Perhaps if I knew, I could understand and empathise with my female friends much better? Perhaps it would do you some good to look in the Men's pages before sounding off about how awful we all are?

The world would be a much better place if all commonplace things could be discussed openly. It amazes me that there are so many rules of 'decency' which prevent this. That's why I have supported SeaBright and hale_bopp who are wonderfully honest about such things and encourage dialogue as a consequence. It's a two way thing and everyone benefits in the long run.

If you'd rather return to the cruelty and double standards of the Victorian era, well fine, we'll put a big "No Women Allowed" sign on the Men's Forum, and you can continue to peddle ignorant stereotypes and misconceptions about men rather than finding out the facts. But again, it'll work both ways, so don't start complaining that the men "don't understand you" when you won't give them the chance to come in and find out.

I agree that some of the subject matter is very sensitive and everyone needs to be treated with respect. I also think that only constructive and relevant comments should be made - nothing juvenile, inflammatory or presumptious. Only add to a topic if you have something to say which will give support or encourage understanding in some way, because these pages ARE primarily for gender peer-group support. But banning members of the opposite sex completely seems like a really bad idea to me.

Please think about what I'm saying before you flame me

Bizarre - I agree with you about MrMark's put-downs in the Men's Forum. They're unhelpful and a bit juvenile IMHO. But if you polarize opinion by using that one problem as an excuse, and ban all men from the women's pages (which would, no doubt, lead to a similar ban on women in the men's pages), I think we'll lose a valuable way of increasing understanding and tolerance.

I don't think gender should be a cause of conflict any more than I think people should fight over skin colour, religion or football teams. Communication is the answer, NOT suspicion and secrecy. Ironically, intolerance and "clan" aggression are typically seen as male character traits, so it saddens me to see the same insular mentality creeping into the female forum.

There is no point in having a womans/mens discussion if anyone is allowed to post in both. The woman wanted a seperate womans forum to discuss womans topics because some men where making inappropriate comments when they posted things like that in the mature forum. And then the men wanted their own forum just for men which is fine. But then some women posted in there and it started a big arguments. This problems would not occur if everyone stuck to their own forums. Otherwise they should just get rid of the seperate forums.

Sociable Hermit... do you really want to know?

If you want the ins and outs of PMS, I can tell you what I've noted as being common, but I have no personal data to offer. Unlike many women of my acquaintance, I do not seem to suffer from the symptoms commonly associated with PMS. I am no more emotional right before my period than at any other time... something my man is grateful for, heh. This is not politically correct, but in my experience women who start in with the hyperemotional sob-sister stuff, increased bitchiness, etc. in the few days before the onset of the actual menstrual flow itself aren't exactly paragons of emotional stability the rest of the time, either.

During the first couple days of the actual period itself (the menstrual flow), the body releases prostaglandins. This chemical directs the muscles of the uterine wall to contract, which in theory helps to shed the old lining. Unfortunately, it can also cause cramping... the musculature of the uterus can become tired and overworked, just like any muscle. Lactic acid builds in the muscles, just like it does when you're feeling "the burn" from exercise.

Basically, picture how your arm would begin to feel, if you were doing bicep curls and some sadistic psycho with a gun wouldn't let you stop. That's what the uterine musculature begins to feel like. The pain intensifies during times where the uterine musculature is contracted most... this is why cramps seem to come in waves.

I take ibruprofen for it, as ibruprofen is a chemical antagonist to prostaglandins. This probably explains why my periods are somewhat longer than most women's... mine usually last around a week, instead of the more typical 3-5 days.

Some women experience bloating, as well. I do not, but I've known women who do. I had a roommate as an undergrad in college who would bloat so much even the tops of her feet would swell a bit. This is unpleasant, as it makes one's clothing feel tight and uncomfortable. The physiology behind the bloating is unknown to me.

The actual flow itself ... well, there's no way to describe this pleasantly or politely. Picture old blood that does not clot, mixed with a bit of slime. There is also the occasional small chunk of liver-colored material in it... these are commonly referred to as "clots", but they are not... they are small pieces of the old uterine lining which have broken away. During the course of menstruation, this flow slackens and eventually ceases. The cessation marks the end of the period.

Anything else?

The risk of being negatively judged by others is inherent to any sort of social interaction, regardless of location, type, or the identities of those present.

Besides, I honestly enjoy a good verbal brawl every now and then.

If there's a discussion about misogyny on the forums I think it's best if both men and women contribute. It's an interesting subject, and one that benefits from the input of both sexes.

Also, I think the general rule is that if you want only your sex to respond in a thread you made, you have to say so in the thread title or in the first post.

The fascinating and informative discussion of mysoginy is quite over it seems. No one has discussed the topic in a while. It seems as if some would rather menstruate than contribute an intellectual comment to a high impact topic, of interest to both genders.

If they wanted the opinions of men then they should not post it in the women's discussion.

I'm afraid I tend to agree with bizarre on this point. When I initially posted in this thread, it was because it headlined on the homepage. When I realized my error, I promptly apologized and offered to remove the post.
However, I suspect that bizarre and I are in the minority on this point. I think the women need to discuss this among themselves.

BTW, when I start a new thread in the Men's Forum it does not headline on the homepage. I'm very disappointed. I'd like to see our "not mature" content featured more prominently. Also, I don't share the opinion that my rude behavior is inappropriate in the Men's Forum. IMO, any woman can walk into the Locker room if she wants to, but she should be prepared to tolerate some wolf whistles, etc. The point of a girls club is to be able to talk about more delicate or personal subjects in a comfortable setting. The point of a boys club is to be able to be free of the social rules of more polite society in a comfortable setting. Again, mine may be the minority opinion.

The only real experiences with misogyny I have involve men who are both arrogant and incompetent who react very negatively to being outperformed by a woman. I have no sympathy for them. If they don't want to be outdone by me, then they should try harder in the future, rather than expecting me to pretend I'm stupid to slap balm on their insecurities.

With the exception of those sorts of men, I tend to get along with men a lot better than I tend to get along with other women. lol.

My guess is that being unable to connect with the opposite sex in any meaningful way, it leads to frustration and resentment... I was actually in such a place myself once.. some of those feelings are still there, but now i understand the underlying cause